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  • #76
    Originally posted by Colin MacLeod View Post
    Endgame final jump. Improved scene.
    https://coub.com/view/16a7mz
    Without the original to compare against, what did you change there?
    Highlander: Dark Places

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    • #77
      Have recently decided to dust off my goal of making various improvements to Endgame, certainly editorially, but notably, Visually. such as Deaging Christopher Lambert , as well as some some unsatisfying things like Connor's Quickening, some things during the Climax, something very much important to me is to include Scotland in a way that appears to have been intended, but not done. this current Work is only in Progress

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      • #78
        Obviously no serious filming was done is Scotland, aside from a Lambert double on a Horse, ariel shots being very beautiful Stock Footage, the actual Footage of Connor and Heather being shot in Romania, the very noticeably flat land and bare sky cropped out of the final film, but clearly shot in a way indicating that Scotland would be digitally added in

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Nicholas Ward View Post
          Highlander and Endgame have the better final Quickenings though.
          Good God no - not Endgame. Edngame's just generic, low-budget bullshit.

          IMO, the best Quickenings in the movies are the Kurgan, Corda (the one with the walking Quickening that hits a few beer cans first), Khan and Kane Quickenings. Everything else is lesser.

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          • #80
            I take a liking to Quickenings that display traits of the person killed. So I like the Kurgans, Kells, Larca's and Wilson Gearys after my own obviously.
            Last edited by Nicholas Ward; 02-22-2020, 01:36 AM.
            May flights of Demons guide you to your final rest...

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            • #81
              While the script is horrible, the editing does not help. So, here are the top 10 editing fails in Highlander Endgame:

              1: The final fight: The final battle between Duncan and Kell does not work in either main cut (and barley in workprint), here's why:

              Theatrical: Duncan and Kell are in a pipe room, then suddenly their on a catwalk, then Duncan falls onto the ground and somehow their outside and Duncan's without his coat (and I don't understand either). There's some terrible facemorphing, Duncan and Kell keep changing positions between cuts and Kell is killed.

              Producer: Duncan and Kell are in a pipe room, then suddenly their on a catwalk, then Duncan falls onto the ground and he Kell proceed to fight some more (with a jump cut) before some small explosions separate them (with there being too many cuts). Then their in a chain room and they fight before Duncan gets away. As Duncan removes his coat, Matthew tries to shoot him, but Joe kills him instead. There's some terrible facemorphing, Duncan and Kell keep changing positions between cuts and Kell is killed.

              Workprint: Duncan and Kell are in a pipe room, then suddenly their on a catwalk, then Duncan falls onto the ground and he Kell proceed to fight some more (with no jump cut before some small explosions separate them. Then their in a chain room and they fight before Duncan gets away. As Duncan removes his coat, Kell calls out to him and then there's a camera pan to the side of the building before showing Kell and Dunan fighting. There's no facemorphing and Kell is killed.

              2: Connor's quickening: I hate everything about Connor in this movie and his death is the worst. While it plays out relativly the same in all 3 cuts, the quickening in the thatrical and producer cuts is so short, it's baffaling. In the workprint, it goes on much longer (including a throwback to the first movie).

              3: The training flashback in the thatrical and producer cuts is so choppy, it's hard to follow. It's much longer and easier to follow in the workprint.

              4: There's a deleted scene not present in any of the cuts where Duncan encounter's Bob and pins him with Connor's sword to a van before sending it crashing through the wall of Kell's temple. It explains why Kell kills his posse (in order to gain more power before fighting Duncan). Without it, it just looks like he kills them for no reason.

              5: In the thatrical and prodcuer cuts, there's no clear reason why Faith goes to Duncan to have sex with him. In the workprint, following Kate and Duncan's conversation, we see a nice montage of both Duncan and Kate walking the streets separately, both clearly pondering the conversation they had with each other. We see Kate start to think about what she is doing. She walks into the temple, she greets Kell and says "no not tonight, I'm tired." There, an establishment of at least a sexual relationship.

              What follows is a conversation on a balcony of this huge temple, that Kate mentions is still in construction. They then talk about the Game, the Quickening, Kell'smotivations, and Kate and the rest's part in all of it. The conversation ends quite strikingly. Kell asks Kate "Do you know what LIVE spelled backwards is?" She responds, "Live would be Evil, but LIVED would be..." She turns, and Kell is gone.

              Kate then imagines and thinks back to:

              A longer and better version of the highwaymen scene. There is actual humor, as the highwaymen play off of each other, as do Duncan and Connor. At one point we see the highwaymen draw their swords as they think Duncan is smart to their ways, but they quickly shield their swords as Duncan indulges them. When they actually fight, there is nice interaction between Connor and Duncan, who sits on his butt and critiques Connor's technique as Connor finishes off the last two highwaymen. There's also a longer wedding celebration sequence, where we see a drunk yell at
              Duncan to "kiss her!!!", who happily obliges.

              NOW WE ACTUALLY KNOW WHY KATE GOES TO VISIT DUNCAN, she remembers the good old times and hopes to recapture the feelings to those memories.

              6: In the workprint, The fight scene between Duncan and Kell's goons is much better. Each henchman gets a short intro, then they all make cracks toward Duncan, who returns the shots, even making fun of Cracker Bob's outfit, who then complains about it to Kate...who sort of shrugs. What follows is an INCREDIBLE fight scene, cleanly edited, much more coherent, and about 2 minutes longer. We see Duncan cut and beat up all of Kell's henchman good and decisively, and see a nice longer scene of Duncan battling off all of them from the stairs. We also see Cracker Bob pull the bat out of his head...ouch. You can actually tell what is going on, and the goons double and triple team a lot more, so the choreography is much more complex than what ended up in the other cuts.

              7: In the workrint: When Duncan is strapped to the chair, Matthew explains why and how Kell is so powerful. Why any of this was cut is besides me, as it nicely explains his power.

              8: There's a deleted scene where Jin and Faith talk. It provides some interesting dialogue between the characters.

              9: In the theatrical cut, it's never explain how Duncan gets his sword back. There's a short scene shwoing it in producer cut and the workprint.

              10: The Last Supper: This scene is horrible in the theatircal cut because the posse just stare while kell kills everyone. The producer cut version is the same, but Faith survives. Even though the shot of her beads falling to the floor is still there and her dead body is still on the floor!?

              In the workprint, Kell does a surprise attack that kill 3 of the posse. Jin kills himself and then Kell tells Faith to leave (and the video quality is too low to see if Faith's dead body is still there, even though the scene of her and Duncan reconciling after the final fight is absent).


              It's a mess no matter how you look at it. It would be interesting to have access to the shooting script to try and figure out exactly was originally intended and how much was potential reshoots (e.g. was Faith supposed to live or die).

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