So I was walking through the movie section of a local Walmart and stumbled across a 5 movie DVD collection of the franchise. Thinking little of it, I picked it up to look at the back purely through fan interest, not expecting a surprise of any kind, but then something caught my attention. Endgame is listed as being just 88 minutes long. I stared at it for a moment, and nowhere does it mention the producer's cut. Now, I already have a copy of the theatrical cut on DVD, so I still didn't buy it, but if this isn't just a typo, I figure some of you may be interested in getting it, so I snapped a couple of pics for reference. If anyone decides to buy it, be sure to confirm if it is really the theatrical version of the film that is included for anyone else that may be interested.
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Originally posted by dubiousbystander View PostThat's a relief, I guess. Are there a variety of cuts for Endgame?
Producer's Cut
Rough Cut (included in the DVD release)
And then some of strange workprint extended deal that is different than the Rough Cut that Aleander showed me eons ago.
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I'm simultaneously pleasantly surprised that it is actually the theatrical cut of Endgame, and extremely disappointed that they didn't also include the theatrical cut of The Final Dimension. Hell, even theatrical cut DVD releases of the first two movies would be welcome, if only for personal archival purposes.
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Looked at this version of Endgame last night - so happy! It's minus the three scenes I hated: the opening with Duncan and Connor together in New York (as written, it made no sense); the scene with Duncan picking up a ringing pay phone and being goaded by a nearby Faith (completely pointless); and the ending in which he was reunited with her (Ugh!). I noticed it was also minus the line in which Kell said she'd been a "whore" when they met.
And it includes Methos's saying the Sanctuary was on holy ground. I've always thought that could have figured in a sequel - the Watchers (who'd been surprised themselves) being desperate to keep more Immortals from learning nothing out of the ordinary happened when Quickenings were taken on holy ground. (Certainly, the Sanctuary's not being on holy ground made no sense at all.)
I received one surprise! There were so many ridiculous complaints, after the film was released, about the peace symbol on Adrian's shirt in the final scene (yes, the symbol was used by his fan club), that I imagined it had been much more visible than it was. I thought it had been made less clearly visible in the Producers' Cut - one of the "changes" I hated. But it wasn't any clearer in the original.
Oh, and there are no references to "Christmas"! Just a lighted tree on a commercial building - that could easily be there as early as mid-November. The weather certainly doesn't suggest December.
A bit of dialogue that would have been helpful, that isn't included in any version: When Joe and Methos were dropping Duncan off at the entrance to that rural cemetery, we should have heard them making sure he had a cell phone with him, to call a cab when he was ready to leave. Hale probably would have taken his phone; if so, he would have needed a loaner from one of his friends.Last edited by Wilusa; 11-03-2017, 06:48 AM.
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Given the recent news I started contemplating getting this regardless of it being just DVD but I noticed several references online that they're crammed across 2 DVDs. Say it isn't so! I'd be better off sticking to my Swedish DVD of the theatrical cut then.Last edited by The One With The Prize; 11-04-2017, 04:31 AM.
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That's really tempting. If I were to make my own cut of the film, I'd want to build it from the theatrical cut.__________________________________________________
"Really? We are trapped in a room with a machine that can cut off my head. Now that's a longshot."
--Connor MacLeod in Peter Bellwood's original Highlander II script
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For all the talk of how "vastly different" the Producer's cut is said to be... it really isn't. Its some miniscule changes in the loft scene in the 1994 scene, and some cut scenes here and there. But the pace and editing is still pretty much the same, including placing the entire 1555 flashback in the beginning, learning essentially nothing from having done the exact same mistake from the third film, and the editing/pace of the fight scene at the end remaining just as bad.
If anything, the TC has the "better" ending of Duncan walking away from Connor's ending. The PC ending, such as it is, is shlock, corny and as shown, utterly wrong. "You know, so many ppl killed, and my closest living relative is dead, but AT LEAST I GOT KATE BACK!" Awful.
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Originally posted by Aleander View PostIf anything, the TC has the "better" ending of Duncan walking away from Connor's ending. The PC ending, such as it is, is shlock, corny and as shown, utterly wrong. "You know, so many ppl killed, and my closest living relative is dead, but AT LEAST I GOT KATE BACK!" Awful.
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I think Kell leaving Kate alive actually makes the movie better.
It better demonstrates that he wasn't really a bad guy -- or at least not the kind we were used to seeing in the franchise. He was a man who was wronged by our original hero, and sought a rather cruel form of everlasting vengeance, but at his core he wasn't truly evil.
That being said, I whole heartedly agree that the best ending is Duncan delivering the tree, as its a sort of quickening plot point, since Duncan was never told about it, yet knew about it, and felt its importance to Connor enough to then do it, himself. Of course, since the set up scene was never properly shot with Lambert, and was thus subsequently cut, there is no way that ending could really make sense being included in a proper cut of the film.
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Kell leaving Kate alive makes the movie better?
Just no. Kell wasn't gonna let Duncan leave alive. He wasn't going to be punishing him for centuries to come. Connor was done, and Duncan was over, as far as Kell was concerned. He even told him he killed her, but what would be the point of letting Duncan live, and Kate too? What would be the odds that Kate wouldn't run into Duncan (which he did?). Its a fairly idiotic story decision that, on itself, makes little sense, and is only there to satisfy the likes of Andrew who wanted a feel-good ending.
Its a shame that they decided to change Lambert's haircut in the film, cause in the shot that's in the RC, its Connor with the Gathering-HL3 short haircut piece, which is consistent with his appearence in the 90's per se, but totally not with his present day appearence in Endgame.
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Originally posted by The One With The Prize View PostGiven the recent news I started contemplating getting this regardless of it being just DVD but I noticed several references online that they're crammed across 2 DVDs. Say it isn't so! I'd be better off sticking to my Swedish DVD of the theatrical cut then.
Originally posted by Takk View PostI'm simultaneously pleasantly surprised that it is actually the theatrical cut of Endgame, and extremely disappointed that they didn't also include the theatrical cut of The Final Dimension. Hell, even theatrical cut DVD releases of the first two movies would be welcome, if only for personal archival purposes.Last edited by Russell Nash; 12-11-2017, 02:25 AM.
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Originally posted by Russell Nash View PostAnd worse than that, it's four movies on one disc, and one film on the other. Highlander 1, 3, 4, and 5 on disc one, Highlander 2 on disc two.
It dos contain a theatrical cut of Highlander III. ("400 years...", no teleporting to America, God Took a Picture credits.) This is the third variant released on US DVD to date, as far as I can tell.
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Yeah, the compression is pretty bad, especially on the first film. Highlander 3 and 5 are also interlaced, and Highlander 1 has a blurred transfer that appears to be converted poorly from an interlaced copy. A total mess. Endgame seems to come off best of all four, but it's still not particularly pretty.
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I was all excited to be reading that the theatrical cut is finally on DVD here in the US, but the fact its on one disc with multiple movies , was the punch to the face.
Is the theatrical cut released on bluray anywhere in the world?
I've always preferred the theatrical cut because thats what I saw in theaters. It wasnt a great movie but it just flows better in being a darker toned film than the Producer's Cut.Power to the Donut!
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At this point in time there is no blu-ray of the theatrical cut anywhere. The current UK, Spanish and Hong Kong releases are all of the Producers Cut.Last edited by The One With The Prize; 12-24-2017, 11:09 PM.
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To date I know of only the German DVDs from Highlight and the Scandinavian DVDs from Scanbox, both of which are in my collection. The Scanbox ones are probably OOP at this point, I have to double check though, but the German Highlight one seems to be readily available through Amazon.de in various editions. The discs are PAL formatted and Region 2 though.
EDIT: Oh yeah, I forgot my Dutch 2-discer with both the Producers Cut and the theatrical from DFW. Most likely OOP as well at this point.You can get a decent comparison of the discs over at Rewind/DVDCompare: http://dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=1386Last edited by The One With The Prize; 12-24-2017, 11:59 PM.
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Much thanks for the info.
I got the German DVD. To my surprise, it looked really good compared to the US disc of the Producer's Cut that always seemed very soft looking.
No extras other than the trailers. It looks like it was asking for a second disc that has bonus material but there was only one disc in the casing.
Was a real treat to see the theatrical Cut on a big HDTV for the first time.Power to the Donut!
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