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  • "Fasil, wait."

    Not a single thread here in the forum for the film that started it all so I might as well get the ball rolling.

    During the opening fight, when Fasil challenges MacLeod, Connor hesitates and says, "Fasil, wait."

    Why do you suppose he said that? What is your interpretation of that brief moment?

  • #2
    That has always bugged me. All these years later and I still don't know why he said that?
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    • #3
      If we bring the series into it, it might make sense. "We don't NEED to fight, Fasil!" etc..
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Andrew NDB View Post
        If we bring the series into it, it might make sense. "We don't NEED to fight, Fasil!" etc..
        I think this is the most likely answer even without the series. If you're introducing your protagonist and want the audience to have sympathy with him it might be an idea to have him be reluctant to fight and ultimately cut someone's head off. I think the fact that he says "alright" after Fasil attacks confirms this, though I think that Lambert's inflection in the word was wrong. The way he says it, it makes it sounds like Connor is saying "alright, I'm ready", when I think the intent was "alright then, if that's how you want it". This is just my own interpretation, but it's not a stretch to imagine that Lambert just said the "alright" line wrong since not only wasn't he great with English at the time, his character is meant to sound weird anyway.
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        • #5
          There were the lost scenes where they had Connor, Kastagir and Fasil all together watching the wrestling match. I think that if they had shown that scene first before the duel in the garage...it would have show that Connor was reluctant to fight a friend.

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          • Aleander
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            That scene is the one I most wanted to have seen restore. So sad that it wasn't.

        • #6
          Originally posted by Colleengael View Post
          There were the lost scenes where they had Connor, Kastagir and Fasil all together watching the wrestling match. I think that if they had shown that scene first before the duel in the garage...it would have show that Connor was reluctant to fight a friend.
          I had no idea about such scenes. If that's the case then I'm convinced of what Andrew and I said. Anyone here read the novelisation? That might shed some light on things, though I know that it deviated from the film and expanded on it a lot.
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          • #7
            The producers released some production stills from the lost scenes as special promo cards for the CCG card game. The interview given by Bill Panzer about them said that some of the footage was destroyed and the photos were all they had left. I would have reshot the scenes at a later date to have the option in editing. Also lost was the fight with Kurgan and Yong Dol Kim that was mentioned in the news reports.

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            • dubiousbystander
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              Oh I would love to see those pictures!

            • Nicholas Ward
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              @dubiousbystander

              http://imgur.com/oKBgFM1 for the fight between The Kurgan and Yung Dol Kim

            • dubiousbystander
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              Nicholas Ward Thank you! However, I am well aware of this because I saw your posts on Facebook! The "Connor, Kastagir, and Fasil at the wrestling match" are the pics I want to see because I haven't.

          • #8
            He wanted time to get his sword.
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            • #9
              Originally posted by David McMurdo View Post

              I think this is the most likely answer even without the series. If you're introducing your protagonist and want the audience to have sympathy with him it might be an idea to have him be reluctant to fight and ultimately cut someone's head off.
              Because whether or not the Gathering is actually happening, Connor is not actively making himself a part of it. He didn't get drawn to a faraway land to participate in it... he just happens to already live there, in New York. He didn't go after Fasil's head, Fasil came after his. He wasn't hunting the Kurgan down, the Kurgan chased him down. And it wasn't like Connor was going to ever challenge Kastagir to a decapitation fight.
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              • dubiousbystander
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                Valid points all. Thanks Andrew!

              • Aleander
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                Yep. He was playing the Game, but he wasn't a headhunter. He fought Fasil even, but not because he wanted to, otherwise he wouldn't caution him to "wait."

            • #10
              It might have been simply...
              "Look, you wanna go somewhere and have it out where we won't be seen, that's fine, i'll drive....But this isn't a good place for us to do this. there's too big a chance we'll be seen! we should wait until we're sure we won't be interrupted"

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              • #11
                He hadn't had dinner yet. He told him to wait because he wanted a good, clean BigMac to eat first.

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                • #12
                  He said wait because he wanted to give him the to opportunity to cut off his own head!

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                  • #13
                    If you read the behind-the-scenes producers' screenplay memos that are included with the 10th Anniversary Laserdisc edition, there's a huge back-and-forth between them and screenwriter Larry Ferguson during the rewrite/polishing-process, where Ferguson argues passionately for the inclusion of the "Fasil...wait"-line, and the producers counterargue for its dropping, but Ferguson then writes back that without that line, Connor simply appears as bloodthirsty and unsympathetic as Fasil -- essentially, that one line of dialogue crucially communicates volumes to the audience regarding MacLeod's reluctance to engage in combat, and his desire to talk things out first before resorting to violence.
                    Last edited by Leto II; 06-27-2017, 12:52 PM.

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                    • #14
                      I agree.

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                      • #15
                        Where can I see those pictures of Connor, Fasil and Kastagir together ?
                        IMO : Connor hasn't seen Fasil in a logn time, and he must have looked quite different centuries ago, more relaxed and happy than the intense-looking, somber Immortal presented by Peter Hudson. MacLeod takes a few seconds to observe the man dressed in black garbs, thinking 'I can't belive I am looking at him'. Maybe he expected him to have died centuries ago.
                        He clearly doesn't want to fight him. But Fasil has changed too much, has seen too many battles, is driven to fight to the end. When MacLeod says "all right", he agrees to do what must be done. And when Fasil gives him no choice durign the battle, Connor kills him. Before the sword slices his neck, Fasil looks relieved. "It is over at last".

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                        • #16
                          Connor, Fasil and Kastigar together? Really? Never heard of that. I know there was a lost scene where Connor, Kasitgar and Detective Bedsoe go to a nightclub and getting sozzled, but nowhere have I read about a lost scene involved Fasil.

                          As for the 'Fasil, wait' line. I've always intrepreted that as Connor's way of saying 'Hey, we were buddies once, we don't have to do this'. I think for a moment Connor was a little shocked when Fasil attacked him, maybe they were friends before they reunited in the car park in 1985. Connor follows 'Fasil, wait' with 'Alright!' - Connor's quickly accustomed to the fact that Fasil has made his choice and only one is going to survive the fight. I think Connor was quick to learn that things were now serious and it was a 'kill or be killed' scenario.

                          Fasil's motive was to kill Connor before the Kurgan did, I think. Fasil wasn't a bad guy, he just wanted what they all did....The Prize. He'd come so far and had no choice.

                          Friends, enemies, mutual combatants....call Connor and Fasil's relationship what you will. I just think Fasil was cool with the notion that he had to fight the next immortal he came across, whether it was Kurgan, Kastigar, Yung Dol Kim, Vasilek or MacLeod. The Gathering was upon them all, friendship and trust between immortals was no longer an option.

                          ....ever noticed how Connor hesitates ever so slightly before delivering the coup de grâce to Fasil?
                          Last edited by Dragon Katana; 09-18-2017, 11:18 AM.

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                          • #17
                            Unholly Alliance ... =O
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                            • #18
                              Why do you suppose he said that? What is your interpretation of that brief moment?
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                              • #19
                                When I think about the relation between the last immortals ... the last contenders are "friends" ... so, why they should finish the game? the gathering was here, ok, but do they need to finish it with only one survivor? ... the Kurgan is the exception, of course.
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