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Frank Herbert must be rolling in his grave. I mean, that giant caterpillar is the navigation computer? They've just switched spice to spores. (It's been decades since I read Dune, but I'm sure there's a line in there about people who use spice too much turning into these great worms- even in the movie there were these things floating in water, navigating the ships.)
& the war storyline just isn't grabbing me at all.
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Originally posted by Perfect Warrior View PostFrank Herbert must be rolling in his grave. I mean, that giant caterpillar is the navigation computer? They've just switched spice to spores. (It's been decades since I read Dune, but I'm sure there's a line in there about people who use spice too much turning into these great worms- even in the movie there were these things floating in water, navigating the ships.)
& the war storyline just isn't grabbing me at all.Gonna change my evil ways...one of these days
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This is becoming increasingly and increasingly difficult for me to continue watching. When this started I said, "Wow, replicators, holographic projectors over a century before they had them, Warp-capable shuttles before they existed... they really don't care, do they? What's next, holodecks?"
And now there's holodecks.
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Originally posted by Andrew NDB View PostThis is becoming increasingly and increasingly difficult for me to continue watching. When this started I said, "Wow, replicators, holographic projectors over a century before they had them, Warp-capable shuttles before they existed... they really don't care, do they? What's next, holodecks?"
And now there's holodecks.
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Originally posted by mathpiglet View Post
I understand your frustration, since I shared it. I finally decided I would either have to stop watching or watch it as a stand-alone series. If they mention other Treks, like they did Archer, I smile and then carry on. Since I've watched every Trek since the original the first time it aired, I would hate to give up on this one.
It's all "war, war, war, how can we kill more efficiently?" If it at least made an effort to try and fit or even care, I'd forgive a lot more.
Apparently it's already been renewed for season 2.
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I like Discovery a lot. However, like ENT, its definitely not a show that can sit easily with the TOS-TNG canon for me. For all sorts of reasons.
That being said, it could've easily been corrected to have been more explictily fitting as a TOS prequel. There are clearly a lot of nods to TOS (certainly far more than any in ENT's first two years were), and its certainly an edgier universe than the 24th wound up being, but I feel as if this is what we lost when Fuller jumped ship. I think he'd have insisted on more strict adherence to the TOS canon.
In any case, I'll keep watching. I like the show well enough, and I do think, if it was set in the Kelvin timeline, it'd automatically be a much better show.
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Originally posted by Aleander View Postif it was set in the Kelvin timeline, it'd automatically be a much better show.
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Its frustrating because I can definitely see how Fuller intended this to be a prequel show to TOS, and it definitely still is that (more than ENT was in some ways), but its also visually ahead of every Trek out there... I dunno. Its just easier to say it occurs in the ENT/JJ Abrams-verse and be done with it.
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Originally posted by Aleander View PostIts frustrating because I can definitely see how Fuller intended this to be a prequel show to TOS, and it definitely still is that (more than ENT was in some ways), but its also visually ahead of every Trek out there... I dunno. Its just easier to say it occurs in the ENT/JJ Abrams-verse and be done with it.
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I always argued that the timeline changed in the Kelvin universe by that unknown time traveller from ENT, anyway. But bear in mind, ENT and the Abrams-verse are the same universe.
And honestly, in an ideal world, this would be set in the 25th century, with Tuvok (or even more ideally, the legendary Spock himself) being Michael's tutor. These Klingons seem so vastly different from the regular Klingons anyway, so explain that away as cellular mutation or whatever, and there.
That being said, I think its clear what DIS was intenteded to be: what DS9 was to TNG, in other words, a darker spin set around the same era. Further juxtaposed by having the protagonist being a sibling (of sorts) of Spock's. However, if that's the case, then someone missed the point of DS9, which was add the missing edge into the TNG-verse that was prevalent in TOS. But whatever, I'm probably thinking too much of this.
In any case, in some ways, it seemed to me like the show tries a bit too overtly to canonize TAS, which is nice, but the holodeck just seems too much.
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Originally posted by Aleander View PostAnd honestly, in an ideal world, this would be set in the 25th century, with Tuvok (or even more ideally, the legendary Spock himself) being Michael's tutor. These Klingons seem so vastly different from the regular Klingons anyway, so explain that away as cellular mutation or whatever, and there.
That being said, I think its clear what DIS was intenteded to be: what DS9 was to TNG, in other words, a darker spin set around the same era.
I did see this past Sunday's episode, too. For as much good as I heard about this past Sunday's "Discovery" I found it to be all kinds of bad. Mudd, openly murdering people now? Let's completely forget about the poor, sick space whale that's sitting in the hangar? Apparently no matter where you are in the galaxy, you can get a message to any ship out there, anywhere, and they can be where you are within 30 minutes? There are some playful performances this episode but I can't fathom how people are swallowing this and saying "Finally! This is Trek!" This is pretty far from it. It does not care about Trek and it does not care about you.
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I actually found Lethe rewatchable, that is I didn't immediately delete it with a sigh of disappointment. But I was mildly drunk. A pint of my homebrew. I wonder if this show is like 2001: A Space Odyssey, in the sense that it's said that it's best to watch it stoned. Maybe this show is best watched with booze. (But a Vulcan suicide bomber? Isn't that an oxymoron?)
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I watched the first season of Discovery and thought it was pretty good, but the new Klingons look a bit too reptilian for my tastes. I really liked the Next Gen make-up for Klingons. Also, I laughed really hard when, in a DS9 episode, Worf commented about back in time Klingons who looked like humans: "It is something that we do not speak about!"
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Originally posted by Cyrus The Great View PostAlso, I laughed really hard when, in a DS9 episode, Worf commented about back in time Klingons who looked like humans: "It is something that we do not speak about!"
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Originally posted by Andrew NDB View Post
Later on in Enterprise, there's a season 4 episode where they show what happened.
Enterprise was a good show. I need to re-watch it sometime.
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Yes, but with magic DNA from the Augments who appeared in an episode of Enterprise. The Augment DNA is SPECIAL, so it made the Klingons look like humans, and then it magically got into some virus, so dat de poor Kwingons suddenly found the magic DNA getting into people they had no intention of inflicting it upon.
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