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  • dubiousbystander
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    Yes, but with magic DNA from the Augments who appeared in an episode of Enterprise. The Augment DNA is SPECIAL, so it made the Klingons look like humans, and then it magically got into some virus, so dat de poor Kwingons suddenly found the magic DNA getting into people they had no intention of inflicting it upon.

  • n107
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    I'm actually back to watching Discovery, something I thought I would never do. It turns out I had only made it 1 episode into Season 2 the first time I quit. I thought I made it further but apparently it only felt that way.

    I'm near the end of Season 2 now and I'm trying to be positive about it, even though it is still filled with a lot of things I strongly disapprove of. However, I do find myself enjoying it more than I did the first time around. I think it's easier for me to accept what I'm seeing here after how atrociously bad Picard was. But my overall opinion remains the same: I would like this show a whole lot more if it wasn't Star Trek.

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  • Cyrus The Great
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    I just watched season 3. Overall, I thought is was pretty good. I wondered about a few things though. This may seem trivial to most people, but I was very curious as to what sort of tree could grow so huge in maybe 1200 years or so as the one at Star Fleet Academy did? Is it an Earth tree or some sort of extra-terrestrial tree? I thought the explanation of "The Burn" was rather lacking. Somehow, a partially mutated Kelpian child, in his grief at his mother's death, caused all dilithium in the galaxy to go inert which led to most of the starships exploding. However, not all dilithium was effected as it was being traded on a black market for various goods and services. Also, the dilithium planet where the mutated Kelpian lived inside a crashed ship apparently wasn't effected by his psychic anti-dilithium scream. I had to suspend a lot of disbelief. Was "The Chain" composed of former Federation peoples? That seemed to be implied by them having suspended The Prime Directive. Anyway, I like a lot of things about "Discovery", but I would like to know more, or have things explained better.

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  • Andrew NDB
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    Originally posted by dubiousbystander View Post

    Oh, he did fine, at least to me.
    Peck was... eh, serviceable. They might as well have brought in Quinto, and I don't even like those movies.

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  • Perfect Warrior
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    After watching two episodes of this season the main thing that sticks with me is the 18th/19th century colonialism-justification attitude with a seasoning of White Savior Syndrome. (Just making the people who want to save the locals from their way of doing things Black and Asian is an insufficient lampshade to hang on it, IMHO.) I have a thin hope of them getting their attitude handed to them on a platter.

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  • dubiousbystander
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    Originally posted by johnnybear View Post
    Ethan Peck or Speck as I call him was no Leonard Nimoy, not even a Zachary Quinto in my opinion either...
    JB
    Oh, he did fine, at least to me.

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  • johnnybear
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    Ethan Peck or Speck as I call him was no Leonard Nimoy, not even a Zachary Quinto in my opinion either...
    JB

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  • johnnybear
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    Originally posted by Jim Kirk View Post
    The explanation given in Ent for the flatheaded Klingons seen in TOS was already hard to swallow, now I wonder how they're gonna explain this... (Though I'm pretty sure they just won't)
    That was about the only thing I liked about ENT outside of Dark Mirror:Part one to be honest!
    JB

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  • Andrew NDB
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    Look at this, these are the press kits that went out to all the press to drum up interest in season 3, along with the first four episodes to review:







    Big bottles of whisky! CBS is literally sending big bottles of whisky to the press. As if to say, "Look, we know they're bad, but these episodes are going to be WAY better if you're fucked up!"

    Myself, I just saw the first episode of season 3. Terrible. The writers literally don't know that the Federation and Starfleet are two different things. There's several points where they use the terms interchangeably, also incorrectly (what's a "Federation officer"? that's an oxymoron). Also, sure enough, right away there are lots of explosions, about 20 people murdered with phasers, and yes, Michael Burnham screaming and crying (twice in the episode).

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  • Andrew NDB
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    Originally posted by Cyrus The Great View Post
    I just finished watching Season 2. I thought it was well done for the most part. The Klingons looked more like TNG Klingons. The Red Angel storyline was an interesting mystery. I liked the actors who played Capt. Pike and the several ages of Spock. The development of Saru and his people was very interesting. The in-depth look at the early Section 31 was also interesting. A couple of things bugged me though. I didn't like the reimagined hand phasors with their little red energy be-bees. Also, I thought it was inappropriate for a shuttle craft to have its own transporter system. In a "tech manual" for TOS Enterprise, the transporter system was illustrated to be about three stories high above the transporter pads. So, it seemed to me that the sort of mini-transporters that exist later in TNG, DS9, etc., were not yet developed 100, or so, years previously. Overall, I will look forward to Season 3.
    The technology doesn't make any sense for it to be 10 years before Kirk. And season 2 at the end, they forgot their whole plot... the signals already appeared in the first episode.

    I also think they were grooming Control storyline to be a Borg origin thing, but they got deterred from it. Probably by people who know the Borg are thousands of years old.

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  • Cyrus The Great
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    I just finished watching Season 2. I thought it was well done for the most part. The Klingons looked more like TNG Klingons. The Red Angel storyline was an interesting mystery. I liked the actors who played Capt. Pike and the several ages of Spock. The development of Saru and his people was very interesting. The in-depth look at the early Section 31 was also interesting. A couple of things bugged me though. I didn't like the reimagined hand phasors with their little red energy be-bees. Also, I thought it was inappropriate for a shuttle craft to have its own transporter system. In a "tech manual" for TOS Enterprise, the transporter system was illustrated to be about three stories high above the transporter pads. So, it seemed to me that the sort of mini-transporters that exist later in TNG, DS9, etc., were not yet developed 100, or so, years previously. Overall, I will look forward to Season 3.

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  • Cyrus The Great
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    Originally posted by Andrew NDB View Post

    Later on in Enterprise, there's a season 4 episode where they show what happened.
    I have some memory of that. Were the Klingons trying to genetically engineer/enhance themselves?

    Enterprise was a good show. I need to re-watch it sometime.

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  • Andrew NDB
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    Originally posted by Cyrus The Great View Post
    Also, I laughed really hard when, in a DS9 episode, Worf commented about back in time Klingons who looked like humans: "It is something that we do not speak about!"
    Later on in Enterprise, there's a season 4 episode where they show what happened.

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  • Cyrus The Great
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    I watched the first season of Discovery and thought it was pretty good, but the new Klingons look a bit too reptilian for my tastes. I really liked the Next Gen make-up for Klingons. Also, I laughed really hard when, in a DS9 episode, Worf commented about back in time Klingons who looked like humans: "It is something that we do not speak about!"

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  • Andrew NDB
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    Discovery Season 3 trailer:


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  • Perfect Warrior
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    I actually found Lethe rewatchable, that is I didn't immediately delete it with a sigh of disappointment. But I was mildly drunk. A pint of my homebrew. I wonder if this show is like 2001: A Space Odyssey, in the sense that it's said that it's best to watch it stoned. Maybe this show is best watched with booze. (But a Vulcan suicide bomber? Isn't that an oxymoron?)

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  • Andrew NDB
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    Originally posted by Aleander View Post
    And honestly, in an ideal world, this would be set in the 25th century, with Tuvok (or even more ideally, the legendary Spock himself) being Michael's tutor. These Klingons seem so vastly different from the regular Klingons anyway, so explain that away as cellular mutation or whatever, and there.
    Yes, exactly.

    That being said, I think its clear what DIS was intenteded to be: what DS9 was to TNG, in other words, a darker spin set around the same era.
    Maybe like a mobile version of DS9... but a "darker spin" on what? There's nothing to spin from, not in the past decade. I mean, what, the Abrams movies? Those are dark as hell, whole planets getting blown up, people running around screaming and punching and shooting everyone.

    I did see this past Sunday's episode, too. For as much good as I heard about this past Sunday's "Discovery" I found it to be all kinds of bad. Mudd, openly murdering people now? Let's completely forget about the poor, sick space whale that's sitting in the hangar? Apparently no matter where you are in the galaxy, you can get a message to any ship out there, anywhere, and they can be where you are within 30 minutes? There are some playful performances this episode but I can't fathom how people are swallowing this and saying "Finally! This is Trek!" This is pretty far from it. It does not care about Trek and it does not care about you.

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  • Aleander
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    I always argued that the timeline changed in the Kelvin universe by that unknown time traveller from ENT, anyway. But bear in mind, ENT and the Abrams-verse are the same universe.

    And honestly, in an ideal world, this would be set in the 25th century, with Tuvok (or even more ideally, the legendary Spock himself) being Michael's tutor. These Klingons seem so vastly different from the regular Klingons anyway, so explain that away as cellular mutation or whatever, and there.

    That being said, I think its clear what DIS was intenteded to be: what DS9 was to TNG, in other words, a darker spin set around the same era. Further juxtaposed by having the protagonist being a sibling (of sorts) of Spock's. However, if that's the case, then someone missed the point of DS9, which was add the missing edge into the TNG-verse that was prevalent in TOS. But whatever, I'm probably thinking too much of this.

    In any case, in some ways, it seemed to me like the show tries a bit too overtly to canonize TAS, which is nice, but the holodeck just seems too much.

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  • Andrew NDB
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    Originally posted by Aleander View Post
    Its frustrating because I can definitely see how Fuller intended this to be a prequel show to TOS, and it definitely still is that (more than ENT was in some ways), but its also visually ahead of every Trek out there... I dunno. Its just easier to say it occurs in the ENT/JJ Abrams-verse and be done with it.
    It would work. This is still set after Starfleet and the Klingons would have had plenty of years to dissect Nero's 25th century Narada ship with Borg technology on it... I can buy that tech levels are a little advanced beyond that.

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  • Aleander
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    Its frustrating because I can definitely see how Fuller intended this to be a prequel show to TOS, and it definitely still is that (more than ENT was in some ways), but its also visually ahead of every Trek out there... I dunno. Its just easier to say it occurs in the ENT/JJ Abrams-verse and be done with it.

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  • Andrew NDB
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    Originally posted by Aleander View Post
    if it was set in the Kelvin timeline, it'd automatically be a much better show.
    I don't know if that would make it a better show... but that would succeed in making it fit. Somewhere.

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  • Aleander
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    I like Discovery a lot. However, like ENT, its definitely not a show that can sit easily with the TOS-TNG canon for me. For all sorts of reasons.

    That being said, it could've easily been corrected to have been more explictily fitting as a TOS prequel. There are clearly a lot of nods to TOS (certainly far more than any in ENT's first two years were), and its certainly an edgier universe than the 24th wound up being, but I feel as if this is what we lost when Fuller jumped ship. I think he'd have insisted on more strict adherence to the TOS canon.

    In any case, I'll keep watching. I like the show well enough, and I do think, if it was set in the Kelvin timeline, it'd automatically be a much better show.

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  • Andrew NDB
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    I think there's more merit in "The Zone" and "Bless the Child" than any of this.

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  • Perfect Warrior
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    I'm exactly the same- two episodes unwatched on the PVR. Reading the summaries I'm still meh. I'm more enthused to re-watch that 90 minute thing about Edgar Allan Poe.

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  • Haplo
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    It's enough to make an honest immortal seek out a guillotine. I'm a few episodes behind and trying to motivate myself to get caught up.

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