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  • Exhaustion sets in, -1 to all

    5. Methos = 12
    29. Caspian = 07
    38. Jin Ke = 05
    59. Gina de Valicourt = 07
    74. Darius = 03
    83. Kronos = 09
    89. Duncan MacLeod = 07
    90. Xavier St. Cloud = 05
    93. Manny Rieta = 02
    94. Bartholomew = 01
    95. Kanwulf = 01
    96. Juan Ramirez = 05

    2 new immortals enter the battle

    #97... Devon Marek
    #98 ... Andrew Cord

    5. Methos = 12
    29. Caspian = 07
    38. Jin Ke = 05
    59. Gina de Valicourt = 07
    74. Darius = 03
    83. Kronos = 09
    89. Duncan MacLeod = 07
    90. Xavier St. Cloud = 05
    93. Manny Rieta = 02
    94. Bartholomew = 01
    95. Kanwulf = 01
    96. Juan Ramirez = 05
    97. Devon Marek = 05
    98. Andrew Cord = 05

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    • More people who hate Duncan ...

      + to Gina
      + to Xavier
      -- to Duncan MacLeod


      5. Methos = 12
      29. Caspian = 07
      38. Jin Ke = 05
      59. Gina de Valicourt = 08
      74. Darius = 03
      83. Kronos = 09
      89. Duncan MacLeod = 05
      90. Xavier St. Cloud = 06
      93. Manny Rieta = 02
      94. Bartholomew = 01
      95. Kanwulf = 01
      96. Juan Ramirez = 05
      97. Devon Marek = 05
      98. Andrew Cord = 05

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      • dubiousbystander
        dubiousbystander commented
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        Fiend! I know, I know, you're doing this randomly. How are you doing this? I don't remember.

      • Aragorn
        Aragorn commented
        Editing a comment
        I go to this website:
        https://www.wizards.com/dnd/dice/dice.htm

        At the bottom is a "random dice generator". I change the number daily to the number of immortals left. I have a list of all immortals alphabetically and it tells me who is drafted.

    • It's the next day for me.
      Ramirez and Duncan take out Bartholomew and Kanwulf.
      + Duncan
      + Ramirez
      - Bartholomew
      - Kanwulf

      5. Methos = 12
      29. Caspian = 07
      38. Jin Ke = 05
      59. Gina de Valicourt = 08
      74. Darius = 03
      83. Kronos = 09
      89. Duncan MacLeod = 06
      90. Xavier St. Cloud = 06
      93. Manny Rieta = 02
      96. Juan Ramirez = 06
      97. Devon Marek = 05
      98. Andrew Cord = 05

      With all the recent world news, though...

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      • The MacLeod + contingent scores as Darius takes on Cord +- and and St Cloud - takes another hit

        5. Methos = 12
        29. Caspian = 07
        38. Jin Ke = 05
        59. Gina de Valicourt = 08
        74. Darius = 04
        83. Kronos = 09
        89. Duncan MacLeod = 07
        90. Xavier St. Cloud = 05
        93. Manny Rieta = 02
        96. Juan Ramirez = 06
        97. Devon Marek = 05
        98. Andrew Cord = 04
        Last edited by Ceridwen; 01-04-2020, 02:25 PM.

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        • Xavier is not going down without a fight. He beheads the green Manny.

          ++ Xavier
          -- Manny (dead)

          5. Methos = 12
          29. Caspian = 07
          38. Jin Ke = 05
          59. Gina de Valicourt = 08
          74. Darius = 04
          83. Kronos = 09
          89. Duncan MacLeod = 07
          90. Xavier St. Cloud = 07
          93. Manny Rieta = eliminated
          96. Juan Ramirez = 06
          97. Devon Marek = 05
          98. Andrew Cord = 04

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          • More immortals. More fun.

            Darius is beginning to fade vs Kronos. He refuses to quit, but takes a wicked cut across the stomach. He grits his teeth and charges in. Elsewhere, Caspian blasts Manny in the face with the handle of his sword. Those that have never seen Caspian's sword....



            Manny's face is destroyed and he falls to his back.

            Xavier begins circling Gina, telling her that her time has come. Behind him, he hear's a voice telling him he disagrees. He turns and sees Juan Ramirez smiling at him. Ramirez advances and says "Your move, shithead".

            +1 Kronos
            -1 Darius
            +1 Caspian
            -1 Manny Rieta


            5. Methos = 13
            29. Caspian = 09
            38. Jin Ke = 06
            59. Gina de Valicourt = 08
            74. Darius = 03
            83. Kronos = 11
            89. Duncan MacLeod = 08
            90. Xavier St. Cloud = 06
            93. Manny Rieta = 02
            94. Bartholomew = 01
            95. Kanwulf = 02
            96. Juan Ramirez = 06
            Last edited by Mr.Slash; 01-04-2020, 04:47 PM.
            "It's Rock & Roll. If you aren't breaking some sort of law, then you are doing it wrong." - me, answering a bandmate's question of what would happen if someone called the law on us for playing too loud at an outdoor show.

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            • dubiousbystander
              dubiousbystander commented
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              Slash, you need to rearrange! Manny is already dead, and before him went Bartholomew and Kanwulf. I think that your scoring puts Kronos and Caspian at 10, Darius at 2 (Darius!), and you've still got a minus to choose. Probably Xavier, as you have put Ramirez on him!

          • Updated to reflect Slash's votes:

            5. Methos = 12
            29. Caspian = 08
            38. Jin Ke = 05
            59. Gina de Valicourt = 08
            74. Darius = 03
            83. Kronos = 10
            89. Duncan MacLeod = 07
            90. Xavier St. Cloud = 07
            96. Juan Ramirez = 06
            97. Devon Marek = 05
            98. Andrew Cord = 04

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            • Exhaustion sets in, -1 to all

              5. Methos = 11
              29. Caspian = 07
              38. Jin Ke = 04
              59. Gina de Valicourt = 07
              74. Darius = 02
              83. Kronos = 09
              89. Duncan MacLeod = 06
              90. Xavier St. Cloud = 06
              96. Juan Ramirez = 05
              97. Devon Marek = 04
              98. Andrew Cord = 03

              2 New Immortals enter the battle

              #99 ... Steven Keane
              #100 ... Hans Kirschner

              5. Methos = 11
              29. Caspian = 07
              38. Jin Ke = 04
              59. Gina de Valicourt = 07
              74. Darius = 02
              83. Kronos = 09
              89. Duncan MacLeod = 06
              90. Xavier St. Cloud = 06
              96. Juan Ramirez = 05
              97. Devon Marek = 04
              98. Andrew Cord = 03
              99. Steven Keane = 05
              100. Hans Kirschner = 05

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              • dubiousbystander
                dubiousbystander commented
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                Hallelujah! Steven Keane is not a foe any more, you know.

              • Aragorn
                Aragorn commented
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                I agree, I don't think Keane would go after Duncan. I think there is even a chance he'd defend him. Problem is, he's not a great fighter and I think Caspian, Kronos, Xavier would all make short work of him.

            • + to Jin Ke
              + to Xavier St. Cloud
              -- to Duncan (due to too many powerful foes)

              5. Methos = 11
              29. Caspian = 07
              38. Jin Ke = 05
              59. Gina de Valicourt = 07
              74. Darius = 02
              83. Kronos = 09
              89. Duncan MacLeod = 04
              90. Xavier St. Cloud = 07
              96. Juan Ramirez = 05
              97. Devon Marek = 04
              98. Andrew Cord = 03
              99. Steven Keane = 05
              100. Hans Kirschner = 05

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              • dubiousbystander
                dubiousbystander commented
                Editing a comment
                Are you sure you don't just have as much of a thing for taking out Duncan as Nick had for keeping down Methos?

              • Aragorn
                Aragorn commented
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                Nope, basing this off of who is in here. If Connor and say Brian Cullen joined (who primed, was SUPER close with Duncan), I would change my voting habits. I think Duncan is arguably the best one-on-one fighter in this pool. Problem is, he has a TON of enemies here.

            • Methos + goes back to low key, surreptitious manipulating in an attempt to break the baddie block and the fresh and very skilled Kirshner + joins the fray taking a chunk out of Caspian --

              5. Methos = 12
              29. Caspian = 05
              38. Jin Ke = 05
              59. Gina de Valicourt = 07
              74. Darius = 02
              83. Kronos = 09
              89. Duncan MacLeod = 04
              90. Xavier St. Cloud = 07
              96. Juan Ramirez = 05
              97. Devon Marek = 04
              98. Andrew Cord = 03
              99. Steven Keane = 05
              100. Hans Kirschner = 06

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              • Duncan, now with a few NON-Enemies and a surprise ally in the stranger Hans Kirschner, who is a little dazed by the new circumstances (Andrew's lovely short), is going up curse you our great leader! Devon Marek and his arrogant posturing runs afoul of Gina.

                ++ Duncan
                -- to Devon Marek

                5. Methos = 12
                29. Caspian = 05
                38. Jin Ke = 05
                59. Gina de Valicourt = 07
                74. Darius = 02
                83. Kronos = 09
                89. Duncan MacLeod = 06
                90. Xavier St. Cloud = 07
                96. Juan Ramirez = 05
                97. Devon Marek = 02
                98. Andrew Cord = 03
                99. Steven Keane = 05
                100. Hans Kirschner = 06

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                • Kronos runs Darius through, bringing him to his knees. Darius looks up at him and smiles, telling him to send him home.

                  Caspian picks a fight with Steven Keane. Steven is not prepared for this.



                  +2 Caspian
                  -1 Darius
                  -1 Steven Keane

                  5. Methos = 12
                  29. Caspian = 07
                  38. Jin Ke = 05
                  59. Gina de Valicourt = 07
                  74. Darius = 01
                  83. Kronos = 09
                  89. Duncan MacLeod = 06
                  90. Xavier St. Cloud = 07
                  96. Juan Ramirez = 05
                  97. Devon Marek = 02
                  98. Andrew Cord = 03
                  99. Steven Keane = 04
                  100. Hans Kirschner = 06
                  "It's Rock & Roll. If you aren't breaking some sort of law, then you are doing it wrong." - me, answering a bandmate's question of what would happen if someone called the law on us for playing too loud at an outdoor show.

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                  • dubiousbystander
                    dubiousbystander commented
                    Editing a comment
                    You're just building up the suspense, here.

                • Exhaustion sets in, -1 to all

                  5. Methos = 11
                  29. Caspian = 06
                  38. Jin Ke = 04
                  59. Gina de Valicourt = 06
                  74. Darius = 01
                  83. Kronos = 08
                  89. Duncan MacLeod = 05
                  90. Xavier St. Cloud = 04
                  96. Juan Ramirez = 03
                  97. Devon Marek = 01
                  98. Andrew Cord = 02
                  99. Steven Keane = 03
                  100. Hans Kirschner = 05

                  2 New Immortals enter the battle

                  #101 ... Rebecca Horne!
                  # 102 ... Peter Kanis

                  5. Methos = 11
                  29. Caspian = 06
                  38. Jin Ke = 04
                  59. Gina de Valicourt = 06
                  74. Darius = 01
                  83. Kronos = 08
                  89. Duncan MacLeod = 05
                  90. Xavier St. Cloud = 04
                  96. Juan Ramirez = 03
                  97. Devon Marek = 01
                  98. Andrew Cord = 02
                  99. Steven Keane = 03
                  100. Hans Kirschner = 05
                  101. Rebecca Horne = 05
                  102. Peter Kanis = 05

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                  • ++ to Xavier St. Cloud
                    -- to Duncan MacLeod

                    Rebecca helps a lot. Kanis, is also going after Duncan.

                    5. Methos = 11
                    29. Caspian = 06
                    38. Jin Ke = 04
                    59. Gina de Valicourt = 06
                    74. Darius = 01
                    83. Kronos = 08
                    89. Duncan MacLeod = 03
                    90. Xavier St. Cloud = 06
                    96. Juan Ramirez = 03
                    97. Devon Marek = 01
                    98. Andrew Cord = 02
                    99. Steven Keane = 03
                    100. Hans Kirschner = 05
                    101. Rebecca Horne = 05
                    102. Peter Kanis = 05

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                    • More thinning of the herd. Marek gets taken out (rather easily) by Gina after their brief bout. And Kronos grants Darius's last request. Xavier gets another +1 because he's awesome.
                      + Kronos
                      + Xavier
                      - Marek (dead)
                      - Darius (bye)

                      5. Methos = 11
                      29. Caspian = 06
                      38. Jin Ke = 04
                      59. Gina de Valicourt = 06
                      74. Darius = eliminated!
                      83. Kronos = 09
                      89. Duncan MacLeod = 03
                      90. Xavier St. Cloud = 07
                      96. Juan Ramirez = 03
                      97. Devon Marek = eliminated!
                      98. Andrew Cord = 02
                      99. Steven Keane = 03
                      100. Hans Kirschner = 05
                      101. Rebecca Horne = 05
                      102. Peter Kanis = 05

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                      • Kirshner is completely focused and has taken Caspian by surprise who is actually shocked out of his berserk mode and put on the defensive ++-- Any help for MacLeod may be too late unless some of those other bad guys start turning on one another....

                        5. Methos = 11
                        29. Caspian = 04
                        38. Jin Ke = 04
                        59. Gina de Valicourt = 06
                        83. Kronos = 09
                        89. Duncan MacLeod = 03
                        90. Xavier St. Cloud = 07
                        96. Juan Ramirez = 03
                        98. Andrew Cord = 02
                        99. Steven Keane = 03
                        100. Hans Kirschner = 07
                        101. Rebecca Horne = 05
                        102. Peter Kanis = 05

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                        • Rebecca knows what she's about, and more good are better. Duncan takes out Cord. Duncan gains 2 because goldarnit.

                          5. Methos = 11
                          29. Caspian = 04
                          38. Jin Ke = 04
                          59. Gina de Valicourt = 06
                          83. Kronos = 09
                          89. Duncan MacLeod = 05
                          90. Xavier St. Cloud = 07
                          96. Juan Ramirez = 03
                          99. Steven Keane = 03
                          100. Hans Kirschner = 07
                          101. Rebecca Horne = 05
                          102. Peter Kanis = 05

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                          • I had to scroll up to see where Darius died. I had a thing that Darius was going to say. No worries.

                            Duncan screams as Darius's head leaves his body. The Quickening of Darius puts The Horseman on his ass. Kronos is almost giddy as he sees the history of Darius. He sees all the battles and kills. Kronos sees the countries and conquerings. Kronos sees the bodies. It pleases him greatly. He sees another warrior, the second in command, Grayson. What a fine warrior he could have been. Kronos sees the Gates of Paris and the holy man that emerges from them. His age is so great that even Kronos feels it through time. Suddenly the Quickening changes and the lightning becomes almost pure white. Kronos saw down through the centuries man's triumphs and failures, happiness and sadness, laughter and tears. It touched him in a way he'd never felt.The Quickening finally subsided. He looked around, trying to clear his mind. He looked down at the headless body of his fallen foe. He felt a sense of sorrow and, at the same time, peace. He looked around and saw his Horsemen brothers still alive and still fighting. He saw Duncan MacLeod, who was looking at him with a serious hate. Kronos got to his feet. Initially, he started towards the Highlander. Then, he stopped. Something in him had no interest in fighting this man. Yet, there was still the pull to fight....to kill and destroy. And then, in the voice of Darius, he heard "There is a better way my friend."

                            Caspian fights back against Kirshner.

                            +2 Caspian
                            -2 Hans Kirshner


                            5. Methos = 11
                            29. Caspian = 06
                            38. Jin Ke = 04
                            59. Gina de Valicourt = 06
                            83. Kronos = 09
                            89. Duncan MacLeod = 05
                            90. Xavier St. Cloud = 07
                            96. Juan Ramirez = 03
                            99. Steven Keane = 03
                            100. Hans Kirschner = 07
                            101. Rebecca Horne = 05
                            102. Peter Kanis = 05
                            "It's Rock & Roll. If you aren't breaking some sort of law, then you are doing it wrong." - me, answering a bandmate's question of what would happen if someone called the law on us for playing too loud at an outdoor show.

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                            • dubiousbystander
                              dubiousbystander commented
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                              I'm putting my trust in you, here. But also very worried!

                          • Duncan reads the change, does not really understand it, but he is the man who learned to defeat Ahriman, and the man who was manipulated into killing Richie. He is surrounded by many Immortals whose heads he took. If Richie appears... He swears that he will be alive to help. If someone has to be the One... Perhaps it can be Richie!

                            Methos plots. Keep Rebecca, Ramirez, MacLeod... perhaps even Jin Ke and can Gina be relied upon? He's sure her husband hasn't come into play yet. He's been here a long time now. Something has happened to Kronos. He can see, and feel, the change. Perhaps he doesn't have to be a slave again. He moves against Peter Kanis.

                            + Ramirez
                            + Duncan
                            -- Peter Kanis

                            5. Methos = 11
                            29. Caspian = 06
                            38. Jin Ke = 04
                            59. Gina de Valicourt = 06
                            83. Kronos = 09
                            89. Duncan MacLeod = 06
                            90. Xavier St. Cloud = 07
                            96. Juan Ramirez = 04
                            99. Steven Keane = 03
                            100. Hans Kirschner = 07
                            101. Rebecca Horne = 05
                            102. Peter Kanis = 03

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                            • The tide has shifted, and the side of the righteous has taken over. Even Kronos, evil incarnate, seems confused about his post-Darius Quickening mental state. Without his help, despicable men like Caspian are not long for this world. Ramirez and MacLeod move to end things for the Horseman.
                              + Duncan
                              + Ramirez
                              -- Caspian

                              5. Methos = 11
                              29. Caspian = 04
                              38. Jin Ke = 04
                              59. Gina de Valicourt = 06
                              83. Kronos = 09
                              89. Duncan MacLeod = 07
                              90. Xavier St. Cloud = 07
                              96. Juan Ramirez = 05
                              99. Steven Keane = 03
                              100. Hans Kirschner = 07
                              101. Rebecca Horne = 05
                              102. Peter Kanis = 03

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                              • dubiousbystander
                                dubiousbystander commented
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                                And still so many Immortals to come!!!

                            • Kronos sees Caspian under attack by Duncan and Ramirez. He moves to his brother's side, feeling compelled to assist. He hears the voice again, telling him this is not the way. Kronos blocks a thrust from Ramirez. He draws back to strike, but instead punches Ramirez, knocking him back on his Spaniard/Egyptian ass. He wants to strike, yet doesn't want to. Caspian looks and asks him what the hell is wrong. Kronos tells him there are other ways. He grabs Caspian, then Methos, and full on retreats from the chaos. That !@#$$% priest's voice echoing in his head about peace. Out loud, he tells Darius to shut up. Methos looks completely bewildered. Duncan makes eye contact with Kronos. Did the Horseman just .... smile pleasantly at him?!?!?!?

                              Xavier moves in on Gina and lands a cut across her forearm, causing her to drop her sword. Jin Ke sees an advantage and slices Gina's wound deeper.

                              +2 Caspian
                              -2 Gina de Valicourt


                              5. Methos = 11
                              29. Caspian = 06
                              38. Jin Ke = 04
                              59. Gina de Valicourt = 04
                              83. Kronos = 09
                              89. Duncan MacLeod = 07
                              90. Xavier St. Cloud = 07
                              96. Juan Ramirez = 05
                              99. Steven Keane = 03
                              100. Hans Kirschner = 07
                              101. Rebecca Horne = 05
                              102. Peter Kanis = 03
                              "It's Rock & Roll. If you aren't breaking some sort of law, then you are doing it wrong." - me, answering a bandmate's question of what would happen if someone called the law on us for playing too loud at an outdoor show.

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                              • Originally posted by dubiousbystander View Post
                                Duncan reads the change, does not really understand it, but he is the man who learned to defeat Ahriman, and the man who was manipulated into killing Richie. He is surrounded by many Immortals whose heads he took. If Richie appears... He swears that he will be alive to help. If someone has to be the One... Perhaps it can be Richie!

                                Methos plots. Keep Rebecca, Ramirez, MacLeod... perhaps even Jin Ke and can Gina be relied upon? He's sure her husband hasn't come into play yet. He's been here a long time now. Something has happened to Kronos. He can see, and feel, the change. Perhaps he doesn't have to be a slave again. He moves against Peter Kanis.
                                I like the idea of Duncan's notion of wanting redemption. Unfortunately I think Richie has already gone through. Maybe Aragorn has an elimination list? The fact that Methos has immediately noticed the change in Kronos, I love that! I would expect Caspian does too. His reaction I think would be more of a "WTF is wrong with you?" type of reaction.


                                Originally posted by dubiousbystander View Post
                                I'm putting my trust in you, here. But also very worried!
                                You know, this is all hinging on who may arrive sooner. We have yet to see guys like Connor MacLeod, Bryan Cullen, Haresh Clay, Kalas, Silas, and The Kurgan who could easily change the direction no matter which way it was going. I am wanting to pursue the Kronos light-Quickening angle, but also have this cool idea for Rebecca vs Gina and an odd pairing of Kanis and Kirshner. There is only so much you can do with 2x2 in a 24 hour period. lol
                                "It's Rock & Roll. If you aren't breaking some sort of law, then you are doing it wrong." - me, answering a bandmate's question of what would happen if someone called the law on us for playing too loud at an outdoor show.

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                                • dubiousbystander
                                  dubiousbystander commented
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                                  I was wrong. Richie came in as #31, with Graham Ashe. Oooh Caspian and Methos took his head, and it was under your power! Clay... Oh, Clay. He was not evil, and Cullen was definitely gone sour. Plus, Carter hasn't been in yet either!
                                  Last edited by dubiousbystander; 01-08-2020, 11:16 PM.

                              • Originally posted by Mr.Slash View Post
                                He grabs Caspian, then Methos, and full on retreats from the chaos.
                                Which has the unlooked for effect of opening up Caspian -- to attacks of opportunity since his attention is now on Kronos and there are three others gunning for the friendly neighborhood psycho right now two of whom still are on their feet ++

                                5. Methos = 11
                                29. Caspian = 04
                                38. Jin Ke = 04
                                59. Gina de Valicourt = 04
                                83. Kronos = 09
                                89. Duncan MacLeod = 08
                                90. Xavier St. Cloud = 07
                                96. Juan Ramirez = 05
                                99. Steven Keane = 03
                                100. Hans Kirschner = 08
                                101. Rebecca Horne = 05
                                102. Peter Kanis = 03

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                                • I have no idea who you gave the pluses to.

                                  Whoever it was that attacked Caspian, Methos slices them across the face.

                                  Gina is failing against Xavier.

                                  +2 Caspian
                                  -2 Gina de Valicourt



                                  5. Methos = 11
                                  29. Caspian = 06
                                  38. Jin Ke = 04
                                  59. Gina de Valicourt = 02
                                  83. Kronos = 09
                                  89. Duncan MacLeod = 08
                                  90. Xavier St. Cloud = 07
                                  96. Juan Ramirez = 05
                                  99. Steven Keane = 03
                                  100. Hans Kirschner = 08
                                  101. Rebecca Horne = 05
                                  102. Peter Kanis = 03
                                  "It's Rock & Roll. If you aren't breaking some sort of law, then you are doing it wrong." - me, answering a bandmate's question of what would happen if someone called the law on us for playing too loud at an outdoor show.

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                                  • Exhaustion sets in, -1 to all

                                    5. Methos = 10
                                    29. Caspian = 05
                                    38. Jin Ke = 03
                                    59. Gina de Valicourt = 01
                                    83. Kronos = 08
                                    89. Duncan MacLeod = 07
                                    90. Xavier St. Cloud = 06
                                    96. Juan Ramirez = 04
                                    99. Steven Keane = 02
                                    100. Hans Kirschner = 07
                                    101. Rebecca Horne = 04
                                    102. Peter Kanis = 02

                                    2 New Immortals enter the battle

                                    # 103 .... Khabul Khan
                                    #104 ... Kane!

                                    What luck for those two to come in together.

                                    5. Methos = 10
                                    29. Caspian = 05
                                    38. Jin Ke = 03
                                    59. Gina de Valicourt = 01
                                    83. Kronos = 08
                                    89. Duncan MacLeod = 07
                                    90. Xavier St. Cloud = 06
                                    96. Juan Ramirez = 04
                                    99. Steven Keane = 02
                                    100. Hans Kirschner = 07
                                    101. Rebecca Horne = 04
                                    102. Peter Kanis = 02
                                    103. Khabul Khan = 05
                                    104. Kane = 05

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