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Which directly contradicts Duncan's own belief that he is curse. He genuinely guilts himself based on that flashback that had him not marrying ever. If he didn't think it was important, he wouldn't remember it, and we wouldn't discuss it still.
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Carmen the gypsy was just saying Duncan would never marry out of spite because he would not marry her. No real look into his future or his past.
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I could retcon the marriage thing as: the gypsy is looking at a very long marriage line, and the length of time between the marriage to Kate and "now" was more than a mortal life time…. Or wait, I can't remember how long it was… and anyway, then the length of time to the marriage to Anna is far too long…
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It's a multiverse in the sense that not everything fits into the same fictional universe. Highlander II is the only film that really takes the first film's ending seriously, and since even TAS and The Search for Vengeance show us flashbacks set before 2024, they're not fitting into the original timeline any more than the TV series is.
Strictly speaking, those animated stories could take place after Highlander III, since that film establishes that Connor is a complete idiot who only thinks that he won the Prize. If Colin MacLeod, the Jettators, and anybody else just happened to be hanging out in a magic cave from 1985 to 1994, they're potential members of the H3 timeline. I mean, even The Source could be in that continuity on a technicality! (That's assuming, of course, that the Duncan, Joe, and Methos we see in that movie led drastically different lives than the ones from the TV series, which is admittedly not the filmmakers' intention but hypothetically possible.)
The TV show's story, along with its surrounding media and film sequels, is obviously the timeline that received the most attention, but I don't think that it's in a position to consider itself the "only" canonical universe, especially with some of the recent comic book spinoffs just flat-out ignoring it.
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Originally posted by Andrew NDB View Post1992 to 2017... that's 25 years right there.
Would have been neat, but it would seem a little fan-servicey.
You mean ask TOOT?
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/HLBB...xoaWdobGFuZGVy
Déjà vu..
So far TMNT hasn't been mentioned yet...
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Originally posted by Aleander View PostNow, or after 25 years?
Well, that episode in season 3 that had all those Watchers playing poker would've been a good place for it, methinks...
You have to you-know-who.
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Originally posted by Andrew NDB View PostI've got good news, Aleander. That gum you like? It's coming back in style!
True, though it's not like there was any place in the show for H3 references.
Do we still have that saved somewhere? And MoZ?
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Originally posted by Aleander View PostPanzer: Oh-oh. Andrew and Aleander agreed on something. I must be... coming. Back! Who the Apocalypse would come at a summer?
I've got good news, Aleander. That gum you like? It's coming back in style!
Indeed, its only after the comics that refer and show Kane in the Kurgan origin mini-series and even refer to the unused character Thomas Cavanaugh. The show itself has absolutely never referenced it (and its a big mistake they didn't, cause that requel could've served the show in so many ways).
I place it in the Series-verse, myself, following a HUMAN version of the Source (I'm sure someone at Stormark Productions has some idea of what I'm talking about) that allows for Connor II to be a character. All its missing, really, is a final episode to cap off the Series-verse, once and for all.
And then, Methos of Moganda.
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Originally posted by Andrew NDB View PostAgreed.
No matter what, though, you don't have to put H3 in there (although it's a rather harmless addition) but you absolutely have to put some version of H1 in there. We know it happened because they told us it happened in the series.
Right.
You COULD put it in the expanded universe timeline, it's an option (remember the whole thing about, "What if Connor II from The Source is actually the Connor in the beginning of TAS?"). I wouldn't personally, but you could. It would organically work with the H1, H2 universe except for... where did all those extra Immortals come from that became Jettators and all that? Connor is alone again at the end of every version of H2.
And then, Methos of Moganda.
So TAS is either on an island by itself or in the expanded timeline.
Probably best on its own, but it COULD fit in the expanded universe timeline. Or sort of messily into a singular universe shared with TAS.
He did say that, I was there when he did. He didn't, of course, have anything to do with any of the movies beyond his rejected script for "The Source."
"You will never marry!" said the gypsy, a century AFTER he'd already married Kate and become estranged. The gypsy was correct, he never did marry after that. Until Anna, that is, and/or whoever that lady was that Duncan was marrying in "Reunion" (which David himself wrote, breaking his own gypsy prophecy... if even he didn't put any stock in it, I don't know why so many fans did).
There kind of is now. There's good folks at Davis with pretty sound minds about the franchise.
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Originally posted by Aleander View PostIts not a multiverse in design. Its rather a multiverse by willful ignorance. Nobody will ever convince me Davis and Panzer willfully designed the stories to fit or NOT fit together.
* The Series, The Tie-in Novels, The Raven, Endgame, The Source, The Comics (sans two mini-series specified by Andrew), Big Finish's Audio Plays, That 2008 Minisode, the Fan Films and the Methos web-series. And any elements of the first film that don't contradict the show (like, well, the Gathering taking place), and since the comics' release, arguable inclusion of the third film, with the same tactic as used in the first film.
* HL1, HL3 (cause it ignores Brenda's death from 2, and the Ozone Layer depletion)
* TAS, and any elements of the of the first film that don't contradict the show (like, well, the Gathering taking place)
So TAS is either on an island by itself or in the expanded timeline.
* The Search for Vengeance
From then on, its whatever works for anyone. The franchise is so "free" and loose in its terms of continuity and canonicity, that I even remember David A. arguing that "each film is its own universe", which from a certain point of view, IS true.
I mean, Endgame does take liberties that dovetail the show's canonical rules (like Duncan never marrying)
and the Source... well, its the Source. Nuff said. But what I mean is, its maybe the only franchise that invites fanon, because there's no strong voice in the matter, like a Rick Berman for Star Trek TNG-ENT or the like.
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Its not a multiverse in design. Its rather a multiverse by willful ignorance. Nobody will ever convince me Davis and Panzer willfully designed the stories to fit or NOT fit together. Back on the Rysher boards, the story the TPTB promoted was that the show was on "alternative" universe or something (I don't want to say universe, cause I think they didn't use that term then) from the first film, saying only some of it occurred. Which is fine. It was the 90's, we can't expect lavish and strict continuity from a show that loosely follows one of the films with the most airtight, definitive endings in cinema history.
That being said, Andrew's got it, for the most part, to its bare essentials. However, looking at most things, I think its technically, strictly technically, like this:
* HL1, HL2 (cause Brenda died in '95, and Kane came back very definitively in '94)
* The Series, The Tie-in Novels, The Raven, Endgame, The Source, The Comics (sans two mini-series specified by Andrew), Big Finish's Audio Plays, That 2008 Minisode, the Fan Films and the Methos web-series. And any elements of the first film that don't contradict the show (like, well, the Gathering taking place), and since the comics' release, arguable inclusion of the third film, with the same tactic as used in the first film.
* HL1, HL3 (cause it ignores Brenda's death from 2, and the Ozone Layer depletion)
* TAS, and any elements of the of the first film that don't contradict the show (like, well, the Gathering taking place)
* The Search for Vengeance
If I have a comment on the above, I'd say that, despite Endgame and the Source, the second's one the most favorite for me, simply because it stayed with me the longest. The third though fifth years of the show is just a great run, with ups and downs, sure, but a great run nonetheless.
In all of them, its fair to say that the Gathering, the Game and Prize are uniformly the same, although the show took its liberties, and rightfully so, to make the Immortals more human in both appearance and demeanor. In the first film, for instance, Immortals don't actually die when shot to death, they just sustain that damage, whereas they definitely die in the Series and onwards. Which, again, totally makes sense for the show.
From then on, its whatever works for anyone. The franchise is so "free" and loose in its terms of continuity and canonicity, that I even remember David A. arguing that "each film is its own universe", which from a certain point of view, IS true. I mean, Endgame does take liberties that dovetail the show's canonical rules (like Duncan never marrying) and the Source... well, its the Source. Nuff said. But what I mean is, its maybe the only franchise that invites fanon, because there's no strong voice in the matter, like a Rick Berman for Star Trek TNG-ENT or the like.
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I don't think there is this active, flourishing "Multiverse" in the same way we think of one in something like DC or Marvel, where there is actively and intentionally other similar worlds out there that can be crossed over into, etc., but there is to a certain extent.
The Highlander expanded universe: H1*, H3*+**, H:TS, H:TR, H4, H5**, H:TAS**, H:TSFV** + books, all comics*+**, audio plays
The Highlander "Prime" universe: H1, "Way of the Sword" & "The American Dream" prequel comic, H3**
That's it. Those are really the only two ones that appear to produce anything independent of one another decades into things now.
Abandoned/retconned-away-from-continuity universes...
The alternate Highlander sequelverse I: H1, H2
The alternate Highlander sequelverse II: H1, H3
*: retconning any mention of them being the last Immortals, any Prize being won, or the Gathering directly taking place or having took place.
**: Optional.
I am certain Aleander will have a strong opinion on this matter.
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The Multiverse
9Exactly!0%0It's a multiverse but the Prize doesn't work that way!55.56%5It's not a multiverse, everything fits in one continuity, the stories are just distorted.22.22%2It's a multiverse, but The Game, the Gathering, the Prize and 'There can be only one' are all wrong11.11%1Ridiculous, there is a better theory!11.11%1
The Highlander Universe is a multiverse in which an immortal winning the Prize in his dimension, results in that immortal being reborn in another parallel dimension.
The Game, the Gathering and 'There can be only one' apply per dimension but also to a much larger scale.
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