All sequels require an additional theory to make it fit. 2 isn´t any different therein. Why do you consider 2 the only one that doesn't need one?
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Because it retroactively adds to the first. It doesn't change the narrative of the first. What Connor went through in the present of the first still occurred, very much the way it did. 3 makes Connor into an idiot, and a liar (what the hell is he talking about to Brenda, if he DIDN'T win the Prize?). Unwittingly, though, but man, it doesn't work in many ways. And the show? It cannot possibly follow the narrative, because it actively ignores it in order for it to exist.
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Yeah, Highlander II is the only follow-up that starts with Connor having the Prize...and even using it for the benefit of humankind! Highlander III hits us with that ridiculous line, "But you see, the Prize was never yours," even though Connor ended the first film with advanced ESP and the voice of Ramirez affirming his victory from beyond the grave! That's a pretty major retcon, which further condemns the third movie for rejecting the TV show canon.__________________________________________________
"Really? We are trapped in a room with a machine that can cut off my head. Now that's a longshot."
--Connor MacLeod in Peter Bellwood's original Highlander II script
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Originally posted by Tootsie Bee View PostYeah, Highlander II is the only follow-up that starts with Connor having the Prize...
They just didn't dwell on it, or really make that a big plot point.
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Originally posted by Nicholas Ward View PostHighlander II does the same basically. Connor receiving the Prize even though Reno, Corda and Katana were supposedly still around.
Originally posted by Andrew NDB View PostHow did 3 not?
Seemed like he'd spent the post-NYC years trying to help people across the globe, even taking in a kid in need as his own.
They added gray to Connor's temples in at least the beginning parts to show his continued mortality.__________________________________________________
"Really? We are trapped in a room with a machine that can cut off my head. Now that's a longshot."
--Connor MacLeod in Peter Bellwood's original Highlander II script
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Originally posted by Tootsie Bee View Post
They weren't still around. In the theatrical cut, they were on another planet. In the director's cut, they were in the distant past. Either way, we know that Connor won the Prize because he had grown old and mortal. Connor in H3 wasn't mortal. He had no powers. He hadn't changed the world. He hadnt aged (even if the actor had). It's an entirely different situation altogether.
And he didn't get the Prize again after killing Reno and Corda.May flights of Demons guide you to your final rest...
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Originally posted by Nicholas Ward View Post
if they were in the distant past they were part of the game. So no Prize could have been given. Or did they die in the past as well?
And he didn't get the Prize again after killing Reno and Corda.
Technically, Connor won the Prize three times in the first two films.
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Originally posted by Nicholas Ward View Postif they were in the distant past they were part of the game. So no Prize could have been given.
Or did they die in the past as well?
Then Highlander II would be confirming the Multiverse.__________________________________________________
"Really? We are trapped in a room with a machine that can cut off my head. Now that's a longshot."
--Connor MacLeod in Peter Bellwood's original Highlander II script
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Originally posted by Tootsie Bee View Post
That's kinda like saying that Connor couldn't win the Prize because the Kurgan was still alive a second before Connor chopped off his head.
Originally posted by Tootsie Bee View PostWell, globviously. Anyone who was part of the Game in the past must have died before 1985.
Originally posted by Tootsie Bee View PostThe director's cut of Highlander II is pretty much the #1 argument for a multiverse. Once you throw in time travel, multiple timelines are almost expected.
May flights of Demons guide you to your final rest...
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For all intents and purposes, they would be "dead" from the time they transported through time until 2024. It's not as if they were hanging out in a cave somewhere. They literally didn't exist for most of human history. (And obviously there was only so much the filmmakers could do to rewrite their film in 1995 after having gone with the Zeist idea originally. The alien thing was stupid, but it made more sense. The Prize was always Earth-bound.)__________________________________________________
"Really? We are trapped in a room with a machine that can cut off my head. Now that's a longshot."
--Connor MacLeod in Peter Bellwood's original Highlander II script
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Oooh, I have one! The asteroid hit Earth and all of the Immortals died, because everyone lost heads and bodies! Hahahahahah! AND... and since there was no one to take the prize, the Quickenings pooled, created The Source, which distributes Quickenings all over the world that appear as babies, who grow up to be the men... and women... they once were... in no particular order, just whenever there's enough of one distilled to recreate the individual... And so the Immortal who gets to the Source will only be accepted if he or she is the one that wants to create life, because The Source's purpose is to restore the Immortals... ooooh. I think I've got it.
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Originally posted by Tootsie Bee View PostFor all intents and purposes, they would be "dead" from the time they transported through time until 2024. It's not as if they were hanging out in a cave somewhere. They literally didn't exist for most of human history. (And obviously there was only so much the filmmakers could do to rewrite their film in 1995 after having gone with the Zeist idea originally. The alien thing was stupid, but it made more sense. The Prize was always Earth-bound.)
Originally posted by dubiousbystander View PostOooh, I have one! The asteroid hit Earth and all of the Immortals died, because everyone lost heads and bodies! Hahahahahah! AND... and since there was no one to take the prize, the Quickenings pooled, created The Source, which distributes Quickenings all over the world that appear as babies, who grow up to be the men... and women... they once were... in no particular order, just whenever there's enough of one distilled to recreate the individual... And so the Immortal who gets to the Source will only be accepted if he or she is the one that wants to create life, because The Source's purpose is to restore the Immortals... ooooh. I think I've got it.
Interesting though to have the Source not be an origin but a consequence of a major immortal disaster.
From Atlantis to Zeist, that actually opens possibilities. (Highlander 6: Origins anyone?)May flights of Demons guide you to your final rest...
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Originally posted by Nicholas Ward View PostThe Prize still requires all the Quickenings pooled into one.
Therefore with Highlander II, Connor didn't win the Prize(s) either.__________________________________________________
"Really? We are trapped in a room with a machine that can cut off my head. Now that's a longshot."
--Connor MacLeod in Peter Bellwood's original Highlander II script
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No. Brenda Wyatt's death by solar radiation in 1995 is essential to the plot of Highlander II, but Highlander III insisted on a new love interest for Connor in 1994. If not for that one issue, you could aaaalmost fudge it and say that the ozone layer problems dramatically increased over a single year, I guess.__________________________________________________
"Really? We are trapped in a room with a machine that can cut off my head. Now that's a longshot."
--Connor MacLeod in Peter Bellwood's original Highlander II script
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Gentlemen, if becoming the One would cause you to lose your immortality, would you do it? I don't think getting old would be compensated for by omniscience and power unless you could permanently fix the problems of the universe. Or, to put it another way, if I'm going to sacrifice eternal youth, there'd better be a better pay off than Connor got.“A sinner can always repent, but stupid is forever.”
Billy Sunday
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Originally posted by Coolwater View PostGentlemen, if becoming the One would cause you to lose your immortality, would you do it? I don't think getting old would be compensated for by omniscience and power unless you could permanently fix the problems of the universe. Or, to put it another way, if I'm going to sacrifice eternal youth, there'd better be a better pay off than Connor got.May flights of Demons guide you to your final rest...
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Their personal traits manifest through morphing their body or as an illusion: Alec Hill through Richie, Connor through Duncan, Kurgan through a mirror with Connor and in Dark places they straight up take over and manifest as disembodies entities. That's not influencing, that's having their own personal Quickening space within their conqueror.May flights of Demons guide you to your final rest...
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Originally posted by Coolwater View PostIf I'm going to sacrifice eternal youth, there'd better be a better pay off than Connor got.__________________________________________________
"Really? We are trapped in a room with a machine that can cut off my head. Now that's a longshot."
--Connor MacLeod in Peter Bellwood's original Highlander II script
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Um.. Immortals died when they die. If their imprints on life, and impressions of thereof are imparted to the victor, so be it. But its not the same to say someone's life experience and essence is apparent in them and "he lives in them". That's just nonsense.
Also, I had the impression the Prize in the first film was whatever the victor wanted it to be.
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