When did the first immortal appear?

[Darth Reaper]

Nah, the true nature of Jesus Christ should remain a mystery. I think it’s better for everyone that way.

[johnnybear]

HaHaHaHa
JB

[Nicholas Ward]

Yes, you dare.

[johnnybear]

Dare I even contemplate that Jesus might have been an immortal?
JB

[dubiousbystander]

That if they can sense holy ground, since you're cherry-picking here, Kane would have known they were on holy ground in HL3. Also, they really would have shown that in the series at one point.

[dubiousbystander]

Quite frankly, I don't think they did get approved. I think no one bothered, just accepted the money and perhaps thought "Good luck with that."

[Nicholas Ward]

And the stories still got approved.

[Darth Reaper]

He’s from the tv series right? Assuming that I’m thinking of the same character you are, he’s not the one that I was imagining as a Neanderthal Man.

[Nicholas Ward]

Ursa??????

[dubiousbystander]

I like to think that Immortals and The Game have existed for nearly as long as humanity has. I kinda like to think that there were once Neanderthal men fighting each other. I’ve even played with the idea of an Immortal character who is a Neanderthal.

I just want it well-written.

[Darth Reaper]

I like to think that Immortals and The Game have existed for nearly as long as humanity has. I kinda like to think that there were once Neanderthal men fighting each other. I’ve even played with the idea of an Immortal character who is a Neanderthal.

[dubiousbystander]

In both cases, we're looking at something made up outside of the series, and in the case of the audiobooks particularly, by people who barely knew it anyway.

[Nicholas Ward]

Which "facts" are?

[dubiousbystander]

We know from the audiobook and comics that they can sense holy ground.
Even if there were no consequences, the fact that they sense holy ground might be enough not to try it and keep the myth alive

Except that's not exactly a "fact" even by Highlander standards.

[Nicholas Ward]

We know from the audiobook and comics that they can sense holy ground.
Even if there were no consequences, the fact that they sense holy ground might be enough not to try it and keep the myth alive

[dubiousbystander]

There is another option. That consequences for killing another Immortal on Holy Ground aren't a real thing and never were.

That's my thought. I still believe they've a subconscious urge to not kill on Holy Ground, since it extends to mortals, too.

[Andrew NDB]

I've always thought that Holy Ground has to be a mutual agreement because not everyone is Christian but we all agree that churches and cemeteries are sacred places.

There is another option. That consequences for killing another Immortal on Holy Ground aren't a real thing and never were.

[Nicholas Ward]

Yes. Karniel was supposed to be so old that his jaw was differently formed and he couldn't speak current language well.

The question with this would be: was his deformation an individual trait or a characteristic of his species?
If the former: that tells us nothing, if the latter then he is possibly from the homo erectus species and that could put him as far back as 1,8 million years.

[dubiousbystander]

Yes it was! Hahah, now I've that song in my head.

[Nicholas Ward]

You have a point there. Time was at their side

[dubiousbystander]

True but Kell had access to fairly modern ways of travel compared to Karniel.

I suppose. I mean, we have no idea how many of those heads were taken in recent times. However, that is SIX HUNDRED. I don't think that bandit gang of 200 Immortals was really that hard to gather up. It might have taken about a hundred years.

[Nicholas Ward]

Yes. Karniel was supposed to be so old that his jaw was differently formed and he couldn't speak current language well. Again, though, in a few weeks Caspian had pulled together twenty (or nineteen) other Immortals among the people fleeing ahead of Karniel's marauders. Two hundred is still a very small number, and to remind you, Kell was supposed to have taken 665 heads before Duncan took his.

True but Kell had access to fairly modern ways of travel compared to Karniel.

[TheWolfEmperor]

If you imagine Immortals have been around since the beginning... then they've been around before organized religion or "Holy Grounds" of any kind. Makes you wonder their initial baby steps to develop and "figure out" (or invent) the Game.

I've always thought that Holy Ground has to be a mutual agreement because not everyone is Christian but we all agree that churches and cemeteries are sacred places. Duncan has a cabin on ground that Pre-Columbian Americans consider sacred. And Amanda's night club and Nick's office in Paris is apparently built at the site of some Roman temple, because Amanda's husband wouldn't attack her there.

And the idea of holy or sacred places goes back further than the idea of a pantheon of deities.

[dubiousbystander]

Yes. Karniel was supposed to be so old that his jaw was differently formed and he couldn't speak current language well. Again, though, in a few weeks Caspian had pulled together twenty (or nineteen) other Immortals among the people fleeing ahead of Karniel's marauders. Two hundred is still a very small number, and to remind you, Kell was supposed to have taken 665 heads before Duncan took his.

[Nicholas Ward]

Only 200? In times where travel would take a long time that is an astonishing number. Especially if you take into consideration that overcoming natural barriers like mountain ranges, rivers and oceans would be nearly impossible then.

But in that story might lie a partial answer to the question about what happened to all the ancient immortals.