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  • Nicholas Ward
    started a topic Immortal Tier List

    Immortal Tier List

    Incomplete because the immortals from The Raven and the fan films have yet to be included.
    Obviously open for debate. If you think certain immortals should be higher or lower on the list please feel free to comment!

    10
    Kurgan
    Duncan Macleod
    Connor MacLeod
    Kell
    Kronos
    Otavio Consone
    Jin Ke
    Grayson
    Haresh Clay
    Kane
    Methos
    Silas

    9
    Lyman Kurlow
    Xavier St. Cloud
    Iman Fasil
    Darius
    Zai Jie
    Antonius Kalas
    Kassim
    Katherine
    The Guardian
    Nicholas Ward
    Martin Hyde

    8
    Juan Sánchez Villa-Lobos Ramírez
    Matthew McCormick
    Kyra
    Cardinal Giovanni
    Everett Bellian
    May-Ling Shen
    Axel Whittaker
    Rebecca Horne
    Caspian
    Brian Cullen
    Ceirdwyn
    Hans Kirschner

    7
    Graham Ashe
    Bartholomew
    Walter Graham
    Kern
    General Katana
    Micheal Kent
    Robert de Valincourt
    Gina de Valincourt
    Gabriel Piton
    Caleb Cole
    Terence Coventry
    Marcus Constantine

    6
    Jim Coltec
    Kamir
    Warren Cochrane
    Micheal Moore/Quentin Barnes
    Zachary Blaine
    Amanda
    Damon Case
    Carl Robinson
    Walter Reinhardt
    Luther
    Slan Quince
    Paul Kinman
    Reggie Weller
    Carlo Sendaro
    Anthony Galen
    Sunda Kastagir
    Arthur Drakov
    Richie Ryan
    Liam O'Rourke
    Paul Karros
    Andrew Cord
    Pierre Segur
    Thomas Sullivan
    Katya

    5
    Bernard Crimmins
    Hamza el Kahir
    Steven Keane
    John Garrick
    Kiem Sun
    Nefertiri
    Hugh Fitzcairn
    Ernst Daimler
    Nakano
    Felice Martin

    4
    Tyler King
    William Culbraith
    Alexei Voshin
    Roland Kantos
    Gerard Kragen
    Morgan Walker
    Lord Byron
    John Durgan
    Mako
    Howard Crowley
    Alfred Cahill
    Milos Vladic
    Ivan Kristov
    Kage
    Christophe Kuyler
    Frank Brody
    The Messenger
    Timon
    Gavriel Larca
    Alex Raven
    Reagan Cole
    Terrence Kincaid
    Morgan D'Estaing
    Cory Raines

    3
    Khabul Khan
    Senghis Khan
    Reno
    Corda
    Sean Burns
    Simon Killian
    Kanwulf
    Claude Deveraux
    Carter Wellan
    Peter Kanis
    Marcus Korolus
    Annie Devlin
    Jean-Philippe de la Faye III
    Ursa
    Winston Eruero
    Cassandra
    Michael Christian
    Gregor Powers
    Johnny Kelly
    Richard Tarsis
    Willy Kingsley
    Kit O'Brady
    Myron Corman
    Kristin Gilles
    Devon Marek
    David Keogh
    Alan Wells
    Manny Rieta
    Cracker Bob
    Andrew Donelly
    Jason Talbott
    Anton Legris
    Ingrid Henning
    Lucas Desiree

    2
    Bryce Korland
    Michel de Bourgogne
    Horvan Kant
    Carlos Dash
    Charles Browning
    Zoltan Laszlo
    Dalman Ross
    Kenneth
    Grace Chandell
    Carl the Hermit
    Lucas Kagan

    1
    Kate Devaney
    Enrique Grimaldo
    Derek Worth
    Luke Sarsfield
    Danny Cimoli
    Benjamin Carbassa
    Michelle Webster

    0
    Mikey Bellow
    Claudia Jardine
    Sean Zale
    Sharon Collins
    The Elder







  • Nicholas Ward
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    Originally posted by Nicholas Ward View Post
    Where to put Vrej Ratavoussian? Was he a good headhunter or hiding in the public eye?
    Just above Kagan for now it is.

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  • Nicholas Ward
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    Where to put Vrej Ratavoussian? Was he a good headhunter or hiding in the public eye?

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  • Nicholas Ward
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    10
    Kurgan
    Duncan Macleod
    Connor MacLeod
    Kell
    Kronos
    Otavio Consone
    Jin Ke
    Grayson
    Haresh Clay
    Kane
    Methos
    Silas

    9
    Lyman Kurlow
    Xavier St. Cloud
    Iman Fasil
    Darius
    Zai Jie
    Antonius Kalas
    Kassim
    Katherine
    The Guardian
    Nicholas Ward
    Martin Hyde

    8
    Juan Sánchez Villa-Lobos Ramírez
    Kyra
    Cardinal Giovanni
    Everett Bellian
    May-Ling Shen
    Axel Whittaker
    Caspian
    Brian Cullen
    Ceirdwyn
    Hans Kirschner

    7
    Graham Ashe
    Rebecca Horne
    Matthew McCormick
    Bartholomew
    Walter Graham
    Kern
    General Katana
    Micheal Kent
    Robert de Valincourt
    Gina de Valincourt
    Gabriel Piton
    Caleb Cole
    Terence Coventry
    Marcus Constantine
    Derrick Markham

    6
    Jim Coltec
    Kamir
    Warren Cochrane
    Micheal Moore/Quentin Barnes
    Zachary Blaine
    Amanda
    Victor Hansen
    John Ray Fielding
    Damon Case
    Sean
    Mario Cordoza
    Carl Robinson
    Stefan Collier
    Walter Reinhardt
    Nick Wolfe
    Luther
    Slan Quince
    Paul Kinman
    Reggie Weller
    Carlo Sendaro
    Anthony Galen
    Sunda Kastagir
    Arthur Drakov
    Richie Ryan
    Liam O'Rourke
    Talia Bauer
    Paul Karros
    Andrew Cord
    Wilson Geary
    Marco Becker
    Basil Morgan
    Pierre Segur
    Thomas Sullivan
    Katya

    5
    Bernard Crimmins
    Hamza el Kahir
    Frank Brennan
    Steven Keane
    John Garrick
    Kiem Sun
    Vladimir Rankov
    Nefertiri
    Hugh Fitzcairn
    Julius Heller
    Ernst Daimler
    Nakano
    Felice Martin

    4
    Tyler King
    Andre Korda
    William Culbraith
    Alexei Voshin
    Roland Kantos
    Gerard Kragen
    Evan Peyton
    Morgan Walker
    Lord Byron
    John Durgan
    Mako
    Howard Crowley
    Alfred Cahill
    Milos Vladic
    Ivan Kristov
    Kage
    Christophe Kuyler
    Frank Brody
    The Messenger
    Timon
    Gavriel Larca
    Alex Raven
    Reagan Cole
    Terrence Kincaid
    Morgan D'Estaing
    Cory Raines

    3
    Khabul Khan
    Senghis Khan
    Crysta
    Jade
    Reno
    Corda
    Jeremy Dexter
    Sean Burns
    Simon Killian
    Kanwulf
    Claude Deveraux
    Carter Wellan
    Peter Kanis
    Marcus Korolus
    Annie Devlin
    Jean-Philippe de la Faye III
    Ursa
    Winston Eruero
    Cassandra
    Michael Christian
    Gregor Powers
    Johnny Kelly
    Richard Tarsis
    Willy Kingsley
    Kit O'Brady
    Myron Corman
    Liam Riley
    Kristin Gilles
    Devon Marek
    David Keogh
    Alan Wells
    Manny Rieta
    Cracker Bob
    Andrew Donelly
    Jason Talbott
    Anton Legris
    Ingrid Henning
    Lucas Desiree

    2
    Bryce Korland
    Michel de Bourgogne
    Horvan Kant
    Carlos Dash
    Charles Browning
    Zoltan Laszlo
    Dalman Ross
    Kenneth
    Morgan Kenworth
    Grace Chandell
    Derek Worth
    Carl the Hermit
    Vrej Ratavoussian
    Lucas Kagan

    1
    Kate Devaney
    Enrique Grimaldo
    Luke Sarsfield
    Danny Cimoli
    Benjamin Carbassa
    Michelle Webster
    Gerard LeRoi

    0
    Mikey Bellow
    Claudia Jardine
    Sean Zale
    Sharon Collins
    The Elder


    Last edited by Nicholas Ward; 06-02-2019, 01:06 AM. Reason: Added Vrej Ratavoussian

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  • Nicholas Ward
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    Originally posted by Andrew NDB View Post

    Poor Grim.
    Why? He got a point and therefore he'd beat at least 6 other immortals.

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  • Andrew NDB
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    Originally posted by Nicholas Ward View Post
    1
    Grim
    Poor Grim.

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  • Nicholas Ward
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    10
    Kurgan
    Duncan Macleod
    Connor MacLeod
    Kell
    Kronos
    Otavio Consone
    Jin Ke
    Grayson
    Haresh Clay
    Kane
    Methos
    Silas

    9
    Lyman Kurlow
    Xavier St. Cloud
    Iman Fasil
    Darius
    Zai Jie
    Antonius Kalas
    Kassim
    Katherine
    The Guardian
    Nicholas Ward
    Martin Hyde

    8
    Juan Sánchez Villa-Lobos Ramírez
    Kyra
    Cardinal Giovanni
    Everett Bellian
    May-Ling Shen
    Axel Whittaker
    Caspian
    Brian Cullen
    Ceirdwyn
    Hans Kirschner

    7
    Graham Ashe
    Rebecca Horne
    Matthew McCormick
    Bartholomew
    Walter Graham
    Kern
    General Katana
    Micheal Kent
    Robert de Valincourt
    Gina de Valincourt
    Gabriel Piton
    Caleb Cole
    Terence Coventry
    Marcus Constantine
    Derrick Markham

    6
    Jim Coltec
    Kamir
    Warren Cochrane
    Micheal Moore/Quentin Barnes
    Zachary Blaine
    Amanda
    Victor Hansen
    John Ray Fielding
    Damon Case
    Sean
    Mario Cordoza
    Carl Robinson
    Stefan Collier
    Walter Reinhardt
    Nick Wolfe
    Luther
    Slan Quince
    Paul Kinman
    Reggie Weller
    Carlo Sendaro
    Anthony Galen
    Sunda Kastagir
    Arthur Drakov
    Richie Ryan
    Liam O'Rourke
    Talia Bauer
    Paul Karros
    Andrew Cord
    Wilson Geary
    Marco Becker
    Basil Morgan
    Pierre Segur
    Thomas Sullivan
    Katya

    5
    Bernard Crimmins
    Hamza el Kahir
    Frank Brennan
    Steven Keane
    John Garrick
    Kiem Sun
    Vladimir Rankov
    Nefertiri
    Hugh Fitzcairn
    Julius Heller
    Ernst Daimler
    Nakano
    Felice Martin

    4
    Tyler King
    Andre Korda
    William Culbraith
    Alexei Voshin
    Roland Kantos
    Gerard Kragen
    Evan Peyton
    Morgan Walker
    Lord Byron
    John Durgan
    Mako
    Howard Crowley
    Alfred Cahill
    Milos Vladic
    Ivan Kristov
    Kage
    Christophe Kuyler
    Frank Brody
    The Messenger
    Timon
    Gavriel Larca
    Alex Raven
    Reagan Cole
    Terrence Kincaid
    Morgan D'Estaing
    Cory Raines

    3
    Khabul Khan
    Senghis Khan
    Crysta
    Jade
    Reno
    Corda
    Jeremy Dexter
    Sean Burns
    Simon Killian
    Kanwulf
    Claude Deveraux
    Carter Wellan
    Peter Kanis
    Marcus Korolus
    Annie Devlin
    Jean-Philippe de la Faye III
    Ursa
    Winston Eruero
    Cassandra
    Michael Christian
    Gregor Powers
    Johnny Kelly
    Richard Tarsis
    Willy Kingsley
    Kit O'Brady
    Myron Corman
    Liam Riley
    Kristin Gilles
    Devon Marek
    David Keogh
    Alan Wells
    Manny Rieta
    Cracker Bob
    Andrew Donelly
    Jason Talbott
    Anton Legris
    Ingrid Henning
    Lucas Desiree

    2
    Bryce Korland
    Michel de Bourgogne
    Horvan Kant
    Carlos Dash
    Charles Browning
    Zoltan Laszlo
    Dalman Ross
    Kenneth
    Morgan Kenworth
    Grace Chandell
    Derek Worth
    Carl the Hermit
    Lucas Kagan

    1
    Kate Devaney
    Enrique Grimaldo
    Luke Sarsfield
    Danny Cimoli
    Benjamin Carbassa
    Michelle Webster

    0
    Mikey Bellow
    Claudia Jardine
    Sean Zale
    Sharon Collins
    The Elder



    Moved Rebecca down.

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  • Nicholas Ward
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    Originally posted by Tootsie Bee View Post
    He'd have to be an 8 at least. Otherwise, Connor wouldn't be so worried.
    Connor worries about mortals too... It's a big leap from 6 to 8 and Case, Blaine and Markham are big hurdles.
    But even if he would take the sliver of a chance against them, the Valincourts are impossible for him, let alone powerhouse Kern.
    Above that power levels and technique are taking leaps. In my opinion Slan's best he could do is Bartholomew, and that would take him tremendous luck and trickery.

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  • Tootsie Bee
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    He'd have to be an 8 at least. Otherwise, Connor wouldn't be so worried.

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  • Nicholas Ward
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    Originally posted by Tootsie Bee View Post
    Yeah, Rebecca is a bit high. And I'm going off of Connor's words about Slan, not Moll's bad swordsmanship.
    So Rebecca down. How much? That particular bunch of immortals are very close to each other and very hard to beat. Moving down might be as far as right before Graham Ashe.

    I used visual data as the basic reference so Slan ended up where he is. If you could middle out visuals with reputation, where do you feel Slan stands?

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  • Tootsie Bee
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    Yeah, Rebecca is a bit high. And I'm going off of Connor's words about Slan, not Moll's bad swordsmanship.

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  • Nicholas Ward
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    Originally posted by Tootsie Bee View Post
    Amanda is probably comparable to Rebecca by 1999. Slan and Kastagir would almost have to be on Fasil's level.
    Could moving Rebecca down be a solution?
    Why do you think they should be on Fasil's level? After all what was shown on screen from Kastagir and Slan isn't that impressive. Slan only bested Connor with some trickery and Connor still got away. Kastagir fought but was beheaded mid fight, although making the final 3 is indeed impressive, I always had the Luther feel about him: Should've been great but wasn't really.

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  • Tootsie Bee
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    Amanda is probably comparable to Rebecca by 1999. Slan and Kastagir would almost have to be on Fasil's level.

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  • Nicholas Ward
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    Originally posted by Tootsie Bee View Post
    A few of the choices in the #6 tier feel a bit low to me. Amanda seemed to prove herself a tad more competent than that in her own show, and Slan Quince was apparently a big enough threat to the Prize that Connor took the time to hunt him. Remember that Duncan was able to beat him only because Connor had already worn him down. Kastigir is in that tier, too, and while I think he's not in Connor's league, he was apparently good enough to make it to the final three in the Gathering.
    Fair enough. Although I think Connor did not hunt Slan but vice versa and Slan misjudged Duncan for easy prey.
    Where do you think Amanda, Slan and Kastagir should be?

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  • Tootsie Bee
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    A few of the choices in the #6 tier feel a bit low to me. Amanda seemed to prove herself a tad more competent than that in her own show, and Slan Quince was apparently a big enough threat to the Prize that Connor took the time to hunt him. Remember that Duncan was able to beat him only because Connor had already worn him down. Kastigir is in that tier, too, and while I think he's not in Connor's league, he was apparently good enough to make it to the final three in the Gathering.

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  • Nicholas Ward
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    Fan Film immortals, Tier list.


    7
    Ian Campbell
    Andrus Keradoc
    Keric Njål
    Renee Castel
    David Quinlan
    Angus
    Malej Senna Cavaco

    6
    Justina Castillo
    Grover Crispin
    Kandarh
    Kevin Donogan
    Ximena

    5
    Willem Caelius
    Kagan Milius
    Rodica Lupei
    Petricia Gabor

    4
    Mumbar
    Tierany
    Dorin

    3
    Alvaro Cortez
    Basarab
    Khat

    2
    Isobel Tannock
    John Mosby

    1
    Grim


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  • Nicholas Ward
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    Originally posted by Saber Dog View Post
    I'm happy to see Grace is not at the bottom. I like her character and she's got to be brave as any of them except possibly Darius. Sometimes I amuse myself by speculating she's actually a very stealthy and deadly player of the Game. She drugs her target, then while they are conscious but unable to move, she opens her bag, gets out her bone saw, and whistles while she works.
    She is quite hard to classify, she's fairly old, very benevolent and resides in very public places for her work which might make her difficult to fight.
    Also she was the teacher of Kristin so she would certainly know a thing or 2 about combat. To be fair she could probably be anywhere up to half of Tier 3 if she would be willing to fight.

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  • Nicholas Ward
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    Originally posted by Coolwater View Post
    What's the construct here? Who would kill whom?
    Yes, basically. Or who would be most likely to win in a fight to the death because obviously some characters have overcome adversaries that were stronger.
    Like Connor did with the Kurgan and Amanda versus Derrick Markham for example.

    So if you think certain immortals should be on another spot on the list let me know

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  • Saber Dog
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    I'm happy to see Grace is not at the bottom. I like her character and she's got to be brave as any of them except possibly Darius. Sometimes I amuse myself by speculating she's actually a very stealthy and deadly player of the Game. She drugs her target, then while they are conscious but unable to move, she opens her bag, gets out her bone saw, and whistles while she works.

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  • Coolwater
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    What's the construct here? Who would kill whom?

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  • Nicholas Ward
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    Added immortals from The Raven and agreed with suggestions from colleengael.

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  • Nicholas Ward
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    10
    Kurgan
    Duncan Macleod
    Connor MacLeod
    Kell
    Kronos
    Otavio Consone
    Jin Ke
    Grayson
    Haresh Clay
    Kane
    Methos
    Silas

    9
    Lyman Kurlow
    Xavier St. Cloud
    Iman Fasil
    Darius
    Zai Jie
    Antonius Kalas
    Kassim
    Katherine
    The Guardian
    Nicholas Ward
    Martin Hyde

    8
    Juan Sánchez Villa-Lobos Ramírez
    Kyra
    Cardinal Giovanni
    Everett Bellian
    May-Ling Shen
    Axel Whittaker
    Rebecca Horne
    Caspian
    Brian Cullen
    Ceirdwyn
    Hans Kirschner

    7
    Graham Ashe
    Matthew McCormick
    Bartholomew

    Walter Graham
    Kern
    General Katana
    Micheal Kent
    Robert de Valincourt
    Gina de Valincourt
    Gabriel Piton
    Caleb Cole
    Terence Coventry
    Marcus Constantine
    Derrick Markham

    6
    Jim Coltec
    Kamir
    Warren Cochrane
    Micheal Moore/Quentin Barnes
    Zachary Blaine
    Amanda
    Victor Hansen
    John Ray Fielding
    Damon Case
    Sean
    Mario Cordoza
    Carl Robinson
    Stefan Collier
    Walter Reinhardt
    Nick Wolfe
    Luther
    Slan Quince
    Paul Kinman
    Reggie Weller
    Carlo Sendaro
    Anthony Galen
    Sunda Kastagir
    Arthur Drakov
    Richie Ryan
    Liam O'Rourke
    Talia Bauer
    Paul Karros
    Andrew Cord
    Wilson Geary
    Marco Becker
    Basil Morgan
    Pierre Segur
    Thomas Sullivan
    Katya

    5
    Bernard Crimmins
    Hamza el Kahir
    Frank Brennan
    Steven Keane
    John Garrick
    Kiem Sun
    Vladimir Rankov
    Nefertiri
    Hugh Fitzcairn
    Julius Heller
    Ernst Daimler
    Nakano
    Felice Martin

    4
    Tyler King
    Andre Korda
    William Culbraith
    Alexei Voshin
    Roland Kantos
    Gerard Kragen
    Evan Peyton
    Morgan Walker
    Lord Byron
    John Durgan
    Mako
    Howard Crowley
    Alfred Cahill
    Milos Vladic
    Ivan Kristov
    Kage
    Christophe Kuyler
    Frank Brody
    The Messenger
    Timon
    Gavriel Larca
    Alex Raven
    Reagan Cole
    Terrence Kincaid
    Morgan D'Estaing
    Cory Raines

    3
    Khabul Khan
    Senghis Khan
    Crysta
    Jade
    Reno
    Corda
    Jeremy Dexter
    Sean Burns
    Simon Killian
    Kanwulf
    Claude Deveraux
    Carter Wellan
    Peter Kanis
    Marcus Korolus
    Annie Devlin
    Jean-Philippe de la Faye III
    Ursa
    Winston Eruero
    Cassandra
    Michael Christian
    Gregor Powers
    Johnny Kelly
    Richard Tarsis
    Willy Kingsley
    Kit O'Brady
    Myron Corman
    Liam Riley
    Kristin Gilles
    Devon Marek
    David Keogh
    Alan Wells
    Manny Rieta
    Cracker Bob
    Andrew Donelly
    Jason Talbott
    Anton Legris
    Ingrid Henning
    Lucas Desiree

    2
    Bryce Korland
    Michel de Bourgogne
    Horvan Kant
    Carlos Dash
    Charles Browning
    Zoltan Laszlo
    Dalman Ross
    Kenneth
    Morgan Kenworth
    Grace Chandell
    Derek Worth

    Carl the Hermit
    Lucas Kagan

    1
    Kate Devaney
    Enrique Grimaldo
    Luke Sarsfield
    Danny Cimoli
    Benjamin Carbassa
    Michelle Webster

    0
    Mikey Bellow
    Claudia Jardine
    Sean Zale
    Sharon Collins
    The Elder

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  • Colleengael
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    I would move Matthew down one and move Derek up one to Grace's level. Both are pacifists at heart but will fight when pushed. Both have also had training with experienced teachers.

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  • Nicholas Ward
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    Originally posted by Colleengael View Post
    Why is Matthew McCormick so high on the list?
    I would also put Derek Worth higher on the list because he was sent to train with Carl Robinson.

    How soon before you add the immortals from The Raven?
    Matthew McCormick is so high on the list because of his comparison to Carl Robinson who is a decent fighter but who mentioned that he was utterly outclassed by Matthew McCormick.
    Still it's mostly hearsay and we never see McCormick fight. The list is largely based on the original Tier list on the old board but it's still open for suggestions. So where would you place McCormick? Who do you think he would beat in 1 vs 1 and who would he lose to?

    Derek Worth could be a few places higher but I doubt he could beat Grace Chandell. So where would you place him?

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  • Colleengael
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    Why is Matthew McCormick so high on the list?
    I would also put Derek Worth higher on the list because he was sent to train with Carl Robinson.

    How soon before you add the immortals from The Raven?
    Last edited by Colleengael; 05-18-2017, 08:13 AM.

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